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Israel to Grant Vatican Control of Site of Last Supper?
Catholic Culture ^ | 5/1/14

Posted on 05/02/2014 6:08:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

An Israeli lawmaker claims that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has spoken with Chief Sephardic Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef about the possibility of ceding the Tomb of David— located in an old church building that is also revered by Christians as the site of the Last Supper—to the Vatican.

The report—which has not been confirmed by the Israeli government—comes after earlier rumors that the government was engaged in secret negotiations with the Vatican about future control of the site.

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TOPICS: Catholic; History; Judaism
KEYWORDS: israel; lastsupper; rabbiyitzchakyosef; romancatholicism; tombofdavid; vatican
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1 posted on 05/02/2014 6:08:33 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Very interesting.


2 posted on 05/02/2014 6:21:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

Israel should be doing exactly the opposite, nationalizing all non-Jewish religious sites. Once they do that, they can be very liberal about leasing them to whatever religion—as long as that religion exhibits “good behavior”.

If they get obnoxious to Israel, they can “lose their lease”, and the religious site can be leased to a different sect.

Importantly, this hits close to home with religions, and is a very tangible threat to them. In Saudi Arabia, the Wahhabi sect runs all the religious sites. But when they start agitating to overthrow the regime, the Saud threaten to take away the Wahhabi’s control over mosques and give it to the Sufi sect, which would be more than happy to take it.

This scares the Wahhabis half to death, so they behave themselves.

And the Israelis should do the same thing. If Israel took away the Wahhabi lease of the al-Asqa mosque and gave it to the Sufis, the Wahhabis would about poop themselves. And for their part, the Sufis would probably be exceptionally good and well behaved tenants.


3 posted on 05/02/2014 6:24:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: marshmallow

How long before the Vatican gives it to the Muslims?


4 posted on 05/02/2014 6:32:17 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

So the government of Israel should seize the religious property of non-Jews? Should they make the non-Jews wear identifying arm bands too?


5 posted on 05/02/2014 6:39:27 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: samtheman

Never.


6 posted on 05/02/2014 6:39:37 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Should Christian here do the same thing?


7 posted on 05/02/2014 6:50:29 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

Rather, have a good working relationship with the Vatican to preserve the holy Christian sites.


8 posted on 05/02/2014 7:02:19 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

I think he is pleading for help to manage the site.


9 posted on 05/02/2014 7:02:56 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

Don’t trust Francis


10 posted on 05/02/2014 7:13:23 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Is not Pope Francis planning to to go to the Holy Land sometime soon?


11 posted on 05/02/2014 7:39:48 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: vladimir998

Such holy sites present a problem. That is, they are not owned as such, but they are controlled by foreign religions, and even foreign nations, who *assume* they are property, almost like embassies.

So this is not like eminent domain. Instead is is a claim that sites in Israel are in Israel, not the territory of someone else.

Imagine if the UN declared Yellowstone park to be a World Heritage Site, and then started setting up UN toll booths for Americans who wanted to visit it, demanding money and passports?

This is somewhat the current status quo in Israel with holy sites. That foreign religion and even countries are claiming to *own* part of Israel, usually to threaten Israel if they interfere with that religions or nations control of that site.


12 posted on 05/02/2014 8:29:10 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Petrosius

This isn’t a Christian activity, it is a government activity, and it happens in the US a lot, already.

Typically, when a religious or secular group decides that US, state and local law do not apply to it, that it is sovereign in its place, the US government intervenes.

The Branch Davidians, the FLDS (Warren Jeffs), the Nuwaubian Nation, the Sovereign Citizen Movement, etc., all have been stepped on for doing what religions and nations do in Israel, by claiming that they own part of its lands.


13 posted on 05/02/2014 8:43:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: marshmallow
The Vatican has always wanted Jerusalem. Ironically, when he spoke with Pope Pius X Theodor Herzl actually offered extraterritoriality for all Catholic holy sites. The Pope turned him down because he was opposed to a Jewish state in the Holy Land (unlike Fundamentalist Protestants, traditionalist Catholics don't see such a thing as a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy).

The Vatican needs to keep its mitts off of Israel. But then, the holiest site of the Jewish religion has been in moslem hands for over a thousand years (and kept that way by Moshe Dayan after the Six Day War).

14 posted on 05/02/2014 9:23:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: vladimir998
So the government of Israel should seize the religious property of non-Jews? Should they make the non-Jews wear identifying arm bands too?

Have you ever read the Book of Joshua?

15 posted on 05/02/2014 9:25:05 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: samtheman

It won’t give it to the Muslims, but they will allow them to pray there. And allow Catholics to pray with them there.


16 posted on 05/02/2014 1:48:47 PM PDT by piusv
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Your analogy is flawed. The Churches which have possession of the holy sites predate modern Israel by up to 1900 years in some cases. If the U.N. owned Yellowstone 1500 years before the United States was established they would have a valid claim to it.


17 posted on 05/02/2014 3:06:40 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Zionist Conspirator

“Have you ever read the Book of Joshua?”

Yep. And it doesn’t apply to what we’re talking about. Once the Son of God went up and the Temple came down, Judaism was no longer a deciding factor in anything.


18 posted on 05/02/2014 3:08:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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So the government of Israel should seize the religious property of non-Jews? Should they make the non-Jews wear identifying arm bands too?

No one owns any religious property in Israel except Israel...

19 posted on 05/02/2014 7:47:43 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: samtheman
How long before the Vatican gives it to the Muslims?

Wouldn't be long...The Palestinian Catholics hate Jews...They are a cross-breed muzlim/Catholic mix of some sort...

The Catholic religion has been trying to get a foothold in Israel for Centuries...And sadly it will succeed since it is Jerusalem where the anti-Christ will set up his church...

20 posted on 05/02/2014 7:51:14 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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