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Two priests shot at Valley church (Phoenix FSSP)
AZFamily News ^ | June 12, 2014 | Jason Volentine

Posted on 06/12/2014 7:12:20 AM PDT by pbear8

One priest is dead and another in critical condition after a violent altercation at a downtown Phoenix church, according to Phoenix police.

(Excerpt) Read more at azfamily.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; fssp; murder; priest
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

See post #40.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 11:17:36 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

came right after #39


42 posted on 06/12/2014 11:18:13 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

When you make a reference to Catholics and priests and comparing it to a time of ancient Rome when such people were trying to be exterminated, expect it to be interpreted in a certain way. I think you are being naive to think otherwise.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 11:21:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

except when you refer to priest-killing criminals as beasts that destroy Christians. Then it kinda makes, oh - all the sense in the world.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 11:23:45 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; nickcarraway; Mastador1; Salvation
Dear Gentlepeople,

Whatever misinterpretations may have occurred, the only thing that is important is praying for these two priests and for all of our priests. We know that they have targets on their backs. Stand down, breathe deeply and pray to God our Loving Father in the Name of His Most Beloved Son.

45 posted on 06/12/2014 11:30:54 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8

Of course you are very, very right; amen and thank you pbear


46 posted on 06/12/2014 11:33:12 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; Mastador1
I hate to use this type of analogy, but apparently it's the only way to clarify the situation for you:

Just like if you tried to use an analogy about Nazi Germany in about punishing someone who killed 2 rabbis, it wouldn't work. Because a hallmark of Nazis was their hatred for Jews. So using an empire who had a hallmark of hating Christians, including killing them in unpleasant ways is not going to work. Especially referencing one of the ways they killed them. (I still see people walking around with t-shirts that say, "So many Christians, so little lions)

47 posted on 06/12/2014 11:37:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Under the old Imperial Roman system, temple robbers were thrown to wild beasts.

The priests were not temple robbers, and the early Christians suffered because they were robbing GLORY from the Emperor.


48 posted on 06/12/2014 12:16:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

All I can say is, I find it very unusual that you find that period of Rome worthy of emulation. I couldn’t disagree with you more, and most Christians would agree with me.


49 posted on 06/12/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
It's amazing how you want to blow this up into something that never existed! You take a comment where a negative was wished to the perpetrator and insist that it was directed at the Priests and then like dog with a bone you just can't let it go! for the last time for the love of God, I don't care about your history lessons or interpretations, the intent was bad things to happen to the shooter/shooters and God bless the survivor and the poor soul who died. Done, finished, through, find a new bone.
50 posted on 06/12/2014 1:42:00 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: NYer

Please ping and pray. Father Walker was a student of mine.


51 posted on 06/12/2014 2:08:36 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...
Please ping and pray. Father Walker was a student of mine.

I posted a Front Page News thread on this earlier today. Prayers for Fr. Walker!

Not sure what happened to the earlier thread, ping!

52 posted on 06/12/2014 2:34:59 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Prayer away.


53 posted on 06/12/2014 2:37:19 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Hieronymus

I’m so sorry about your loss.


54 posted on 06/12/2014 2:48:03 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When the truth finally dawns, it dawns in fire!)
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To: Hieronymus

Prayers for the grief you must feel too.


55 posted on 06/12/2014 3:10:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick; Salvation

Thank you. However, there are a number of people around me who are even harder hit, so my loss doesn’t seem so bad. His entering class had 16-20 students, and there were only 20-24 students in the school at the time (it was our fourth year), and many of the classmates were very close. One of them now works for the school and today had primary responsibility for routing calls from the press. That was tough.


56 posted on 06/12/2014 4:41:07 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

That would be a terrible task in a situation like this. I remember people answering the phone and taking messages for me when my husband died.

Returning those calls later was so difficult.


57 posted on 06/12/2014 5:14:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pbear8

Prayers offered.


58 posted on 06/12/2014 5:20:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: pbear8

Lord Jesus Christ, rest the soul of Thy martyr Father Kenneth with the angels and saints. Heal Father Joseph Thy servant from his injuries and give him a long life, Lord.

May the meek inherit the world, and may the wicked repent.

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen.


59 posted on 06/12/2014 5:59:08 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: nickcarraway

To make myself clear AGAIN, the murderers of the priest should be thrown to the wolves.


60 posted on 06/12/2014 8:31:53 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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