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Concerns about Cremation: Some Very Strange Practices Are Emerging
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-17-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/18/2015 7:30:19 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: R. Scott
Not here in Virginia.

Are you certain, because that is hat I would like to have done as well.

Of course being a Hokies fan I am not certain about giving anything to UVA.

101 posted on 03/18/2015 6:32:35 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: fruser1

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102 posted on 03/18/2015 8:22:37 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: TontoKowalski

Thanks for the “direct cremation” information.


103 posted on 03/19/2015 2:29:44 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Oatka
"It appears there is a slight flaw in my theory of immortality".

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104 posted on 03/19/2015 2:43:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: verga

Where did you hear such nonsense? Without cadavers how to the doctors learn?


105 posted on 03/19/2015 3:18:00 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: martin_fierro
Hey, when I'm gone, compress my cremains into a diamond.

That way I may actually be worth something.

And then I'll make you a singing knight. I'll say "Kneel, Diamond!"

106 posted on 03/19/2015 3:22:06 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NRx
"I agree with both of your points. Cremation is a deliberate desecration of the human body which is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. It is a pagan custom that is antithetical to Christianity as it at least implicitly denies the resurrection of the body.

I suppose that is one opinion.

I also have one or two.

You said burning of a body is a Pagan practice, but other practices , such as laying the body in the open to be eaten by birds is still is use today.

Methinks that some of the faithful of most of the worlds religions and sects, would have practices you might also consider Pagan.

I would simply call them different or even unique. The term Pagan, is really a derogatory dating back to the early days of Christianity, usually directed at Moon worshipers, and early Vikings..

As to what is the proper way, I personally prefer cremation, simply for the simplicity of it and the costs. The idea that a box of bones, the oldest of which have turned to dust is right and other practices wrong and a violation of religious doctrine, leaves one to seek out another kind of doctrine, or to ignore it.

107 posted on 03/19/2015 3:51:14 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: R. Scott
Where did you hear such nonsense? Without cadavers how to the doctors learn?

I think we are talking past each other. I am interested in doing the organ donation and then having the rest of me go to one of the medical schools.

After reading post #60 I was concerned that instead of educational purposes I would be chopped up and sold on the "Gray market."

108 posted on 03/19/2015 4:11:03 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: NRx

A family we are friends with are caretakers at a cemetery. Cremation is a huge headache for them, as people will buy a plot and try to inter four or more cremated remains there (state law is one person per plot). Or they will dump the ashes out by the flower bed or pond. Which makes a situation where they have to be cleaned up, and at times you can see that the ashes have identifiable pieces in them.

Embalming is another issue. It is pretty much mandated by law.


109 posted on 03/19/2015 4:36:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: hiho hiho
Cremation does not sound as bad as the embalming process (perforated, blood put down the sewer, filled with toxic chemicals), being dressed up and made-up to look not dead, then put on display. That all sounds barbaric to me.

Totally agree and won't authorize that for myself or any relative and have never been to any viewing of a body and hate the whole idea of it. Am a traditional Catholic except on this issue.

110 posted on 03/19/2015 9:14:03 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

To me, the grotesque embalming seems way more disrespectful of God’s Creation than anything you could do with the ashes.


111 posted on 03/19/2015 9:15:56 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: redgolum

“Embalming is another issue. It is pretty much mandated by law.”

Actually that’s a myth pushed very aggressively by the funeral industry. Most states have no laws requiring embalming. Federal law requires it only when shipping bodies across state lines or between the United States and a foreign country. If you can find a copy (many libraries will have one) I suggest reading The American Way of Death by the late Jessica Mitford. It’s a brutal expose of the funeral industry.


112 posted on 03/19/2015 9:30:30 AM PDT by NRx
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To: Salvation
This sort of abuse is why cremation should not be condoned. Similarly, receiving communion in the hand encourages the possibilty of abuse
113 posted on 03/19/2015 10:14:11 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: NRx

Some friends of ours are caretakers at a cemetery. The majority of cemeteries are for profit corporations (many are owned by a group out of Texas). Prices are going up. They are still a non profit one, but the board has been under pressure to sell out.

The predatory practice of some of the mortuaries is rather horrible.

As for embalming, I do know that in South Dakota it is mandated (with exception for certain explicit religions), and if I remember right Nebraska is too. The definition is much less than what is typically done. The reason is because in some areas, there isn’t enough top soil to bury very deep.


114 posted on 03/19/2015 12:06:49 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Salvation; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

And instead of cremation, how about composting? (no I’m NOT endorsing this.)

the story begins:

Corpses could soon be turned into compost and used as plant food if a radical new plan to offer a new way to bury the dead succeeds.

Called the Urban Death Project, it proposes corpses are placed into a giant tower by families and left to decompose.

After six weeks, their body will have broken down into compost, which is them given to the grieving families as well as spread in national parks

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115 posted on 03/19/2015 3:18:26 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaled
I never understood the logic of this. Did somebody (unclear on the definition of "omnipotent") believe that it was possible for God to resurrect a dead body, but restoring ashes was just too much to expect?

It is strange considering how many early Christians were burned to death or torn apart and eaten by beasts.

Do they think that these early martyrs would be turned away because of how they died?

116 posted on 03/19/2015 3:24:30 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Salvation
The ghoulishness and bad taste are surpassed only by the shock of how suddenly such bizarre practices have been introduced. One can imagine the following awful dialogue: “Hey, that’s pretty new jewelry! Was that your Mom’s?” “Well, actually it is Mom!” Double yikes!

This person never heard of mourning jewelry? It used to be quite popular. Yes, even in Roman Catholic countries.

117 posted on 03/19/2015 3:28:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: terycarl; Rodamala
that would be both illegal and UNWELCOME!!

Depends what state. Some states are permitting so-called "green burials." No embalming, no box, just a deep hole and a shroud. Then they plant a tree on top of you. Personally, that's exactly what I want. Anything else is just vanity and waste. Failing that, I want to be cremated and my ashes dumped along a trail somewhere back in the mountains, so that whoever is doing it has to do at least an overnight backpack and have an adventure.

118 posted on 03/19/2015 3:56:17 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: verga

Here in Virginia the body has to be complete with all organs to be donated. What good is a cadaver without its internal organs?


119 posted on 03/20/2015 3:28:15 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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