Posted on 05/20/2016 10:46:18 AM PDT by detective
This may be the wrong answer, but ....... perhaps the Holy Spirit gives us the shepherd we deserve, for a greater good.
For Catholics, human sufferings are, when made a sacrificial offering to God, who suffered and cruelly died on a Cross for us, are believed redemptive for our salvation and for those of others for whom we intercede, while enduring to the end.
There is no way the Church will avoid the path of Jesus to the Cross. The Church rather dreads but embraces the Way of the Cross, as our Lord and Savior dreaded, but chose to suffer and died for us.
Our Cross is not empty, nor should it be. It is everything when he is seen stretched out, open armed, upon it. It is our faith. Lord have mercy.
LOL
Though a lot of his tracts are way over the top, some are actually pretty good stuff if you are limited by a 5th grade education ...
We Catholics did not “create” the Church. That was the work of Christ Jesus. We Catholics are but sinful humans. So are our popes. Some are much less so than others.
There is no separation of Christ and His Church. According to sacred scripture you will find no fault line between Him and His Body of Christ on earth that bears up such a statement as yours.
“Can a Pope be excommunicated? If so, by whom or what body of deliberation?”
That is a good question. I do not know the answer. Pope Francis is clearly not a man of God or a Catholic. He should be replaced.
“perhaps the Holy Spirit gives us the shepherd we deserve”
I do not presume to know the will of God or the Holy spirit.
I just hope that this evil man is removed from the position of Pope and can do no further damage.
Thanks. I confess I’m feeling thick-headed today; I may be coming down with a cold.
That said, are you saying this Pope was elected to bring suffering to Catholics?
Pray for a new Pope.
If you let him drive away fom yhe sacraments, he wins.
And NONE of what you give to your local church goes to Rome.
I was thinking the same thing. I don’t ever want to hear anything like that again. They need to get their own house in order before being critical of Protestants. No one is perfect but this guy seems to be stuck on stupidity. Bless his heart.
I am Catholic and I am sorry other Catholics said that. What they said is not, of course, a correct statement of the position of the Catholic Church. Indeed, it is the opposite.
Never in my life as a Catholic did I expect to ponder such a question. Back in Catholic School, no one would have dared to even ask it out loud. It would seem blasphemous. This is back when we were taught to believe that the Pope was infallible.
He’s not a dupe of anyone. He’s a lifelong lefty, and he spouts the Party Line on every subject.
It’s a shocker only tom someone who have been living in a cave for the last several years.
Does any Catholic still consider this Pope to be Catholic?
Those Catholics are ignorant. No one can be damned who does what he is convinced is right.
If you became convinced that the Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ, and refused to join it, then you would be damned, as I am sure will agree.
He is automatically excommunicated if he obstinately persists in heresy.
The College of Cardinals has, theoretically, the power to depose him.
Nothing is going to be done, because he is 79 years old.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
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I suppose that what the Catechism is telling me here is that, since I most assuredly do not believe that the Roman Catholic Church was "founded as necessary by God through Christ," my "refusal" to "enter it" does not work to deprive me of my salvation? Do I have that right?
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
So, the Inquisition was a holy act?
God gave you a brain. Use it. Churches are as corruptible as governments.
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