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[Catholic Caucus] Homosexuals In the Seminaries. A Startling Survey In Brazil
L'Espresso ^ | May 13, 2019 | Sandro Magister

Posted on 05/13/2019 12:15:37 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus]vHomosexuals In the Seminaries. A Startling Survey In Brazil

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The survey is not brand-new, its results came out in the spring of 2017 in Portuguese in the “Revista Eclesiástica Brasileira.” But “Il Regno - Documenti” has recently published a complete translation of it in Italian, thus making it known to a much wider public. On a question that is as relevant as they come.

The question is that of homosexuality in the seminaries.

For several months, among the Church’s leadership, homosexuality has been taboo. It was even forbidden to talk about it at the summit on sexual abuse held at the Vatican from February 21 to 24. And yet its widespread presence among the clergy and in the seminaries has been a well-known reality for some time, to the point that in 2005 the congregation for Catholic education issued an instruction precisely on how to address it.

This instruction reiterated not only that homosexual acts are “grave sins,” but also that “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” are “objectively disordered.” Because of which those who perform such acts, manifest such tendencies, or in any case uphold “gay culture” should not in any way be admitted to sacred orders.

These were the pastoral directives back then. But in reality to what extent were they applied? The survey cited above was deliberately set up to verify what is happening today in two seminaries in Brazil, taken as a sample.

The authors of the survey, Elismar Alves dos Santos and Pedrinho Arcides Guareschi, both religious of the congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer and both specialists in social psychology and with prestigious academic qualifications, conducted in-depth interviews with 50 theology students of these seminaries, coming away from them with results that are decidedly alarming.

First of all, the interviewees say, homosexuality in their seminaries “is a common thing, a reality ever more present.” So normal “that it even reaches the point of being trivialized.” It is the widespread conviction among them “that in reality 90 percent of seminarians today are homosexual.”

Some homosexuals - they say - “seek the seminary as a means of escape so as not to take on before their families and society the responsibilities connected to their behavior.” Others “discover that they are homosexual when they are already in the seminary,” finding a favorable environment there. And almost all of them, some say 80 percent “go in search of sexual partners.”

Homosexuality, in fact - they state - “is a reality present in the seminaries not only in the order of being, but also in the order of practice.” Many practice it “as if it were something normal.” The authors of the survey write: “In the vision of the research participants, in the present context of the seminaries a good part of the seminarians are in favor of homosexuality. And, even more, they maintain that if there is love in a homosexual relationship, there is nothing wrong. They say: ‘’If there is love, what harm is there?’”

The interviewees ask rather that “there should be a dialogue between homosexuals and the Church.” But indeed, a dialogue to bring it about that “homosexuality in the seminaries may be accompanied and guided well.”

In other words, the interviewees complain that the superiors do not do anything in regard to homosexuality, but they expect to be accepted and admitted to sacred orders as such, with “a humanizing welcome of the person as he is.”

“It is clear,” the authors of the survey conclude, “that there exists a discrepancy between that which the Church proposes on how to manage homosexuality in the seminaries and the way in which the seminaries and the houses of formation perceive and address this phenomenon.”

Absolutely a discrepancy! Between the 2005 instruction and the behaviors revealed in the survey there is an abyss.

But it must also be noted that it is as if the 2005 instruction no longer applies, to judge by how the leaders of the Church are acting on this crucial topic.

To break the silence on homosexuality in the seminaries and among the clergy. pope emeritus Benedict XVI had to move into action, in the “notes” on the scandal of abuse that he published last April 11 after his successor Francis had kept them locked away in a drawer for two months. “Vox clamantis in deserto.”



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; homos; seminaries
But it must also be noted that it is as if the 2005 instruction no longer applies, to judge by how the leaders of the Church are acting on this crucial topic.

To break the silence on homosexuality in the seminaries and among the clergy. pope emeritus Benedict XVI had to move into action, in the “notes” on the scandal of abuse that he published last April 11 after his successor Francis had kept them locked away in a drawer for two months. “Vox clamantis in deserto.”

1 posted on 05/13/2019 12:15:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 05/13/2019 12:16:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
The Catholic church needs to move away from requiring a celibate priesthood. There is no scriptural basis for it being required.

monastics of most religions have a celibate tradition. Its certainly true of Buddhist monks, Hindu ascetics and Orthodox priests.

The notion that not having access to women means a priest will turn gay is preposterous anyway. My wife was out of town caring for her sick mother for nearly 2 months - I didn't get a single gay urge the entire time.....

4 posted on 05/13/2019 12:35:45 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

“...no scriptural basis...”

Matthew 19:12; 1 Corinthians 7:37,38

Virginity is not required according to St. Paul and St. Matthew, however it is preferred as the better way - since the priesthood is voluntary, men entering the priesthood knowing that it requires celibacy (”eunuchs - although of course not literally) are choosing the better way (”eunuch” for the kingdom”)


5 posted on 05/13/2019 1:00:16 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: ebb tide

for almost all priests, there’s a vow of chastity

(like it or not, its the rule and everyone going into seminary knows this!)

imho, if they don’t want to obey or honor their vows, they don’t belong there... any repeat violators such as those who flout their vows on a regular or ongoing basis... should be released from their vows and sent packing . there are plenty of other lines of work a guy can pursue without undertaking any vows at all


6 posted on 05/13/2019 1:05:35 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: stonehouse01

here is no scriptural basis for it being required.


7 posted on 05/13/2019 1:37:08 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: ebb tide

Francis is to Catholicism what soetoro was to the Constitution.


8 posted on 05/13/2019 1:47:07 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: ebb tide

Mundelein Seminary and its feeder Niles Seminary of the Chicago Diocese were known gay centers since the 1960s and 1970s. Did anybody care then? Or now?


9 posted on 05/13/2019 2:52:37 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: the_daug

No scriptural basis for it being required - right.

No one is required to join the priesthood - it is voluntary.


10 posted on 05/13/2019 7:00:04 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: ebb tide
"The Catholic church needs to move away from requiring a celibate priesthood."

Pure stupidity!

Celibacy does not "cause" homosexual desire or behavior.

Chastity means to live consistent with your station in life.

Would there be fewer scandals with dating Priests, divorced Priests, philandering Priests?

11 posted on 05/14/2019 6:15:48 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: stonehouse01

Mat_8:14  And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever.
Mar_1:30  But Simon’s wife’s mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.
Luk_4:38  And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon’s house. And Simon’s wife’s mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.
And no prohibition to be married.


12 posted on 05/14/2019 11:46:42 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: the_daug

I am fully aware that Simon Peter left his wife to follow Jesus. (Luke 14:26 applies here)

The fact that Simon Peter was married before he left for the ministry with Our Lord does not address the issue at hand which is the fact that scripture states that celibacy is recommended for the kingdom’s sake.

Matthew 19:12 specifically states that “there are eunuchs that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom’s sake. He that can take, let him take it.”

Priests voluntarily “can take” and so they do. It is the better way, for those who can do it. It is not required it; is chosen.


13 posted on 05/14/2019 12:20:52 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: All

Tradition is not scripture.

Tradition comes from man.

Scripture comes from God.


14 posted on 05/16/2019 6:57:39 AM PDT by TheTimeOfMan (The Eloi unexpectedly protected the Morlocks from rogue Eloi as they themselves prepared to be eaten)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Depends on what you mean by ‘tradition’. God gave commandments to people before there was a Scripture.

Moses spent extended periods on Mt. Sinai in supernatural communion with God. The Ten Commandments weren’t the only things he learned and taught over the next 40 years.


15 posted on 05/16/2019 7:10:15 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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