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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Gulf of Tonkin Incident (8/2/64) - Aug. 3rd, 2003
Military History Magazine ^ | 28 July, 1997 | Captain Ronnie E. Ford, U.S. Army

Posted on 08/03/2003 12:15:42 AM PDT by SAMWolf



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New Light on Gulf of Tonkin


With fresh evidence now available, claims that the Tonkin Gulf incident was deliberately provoked gain new plausibility.

An Event To Dwarf All Others


The Tonkin Gulf incident of 1964 may rank with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the assassination of President John F. Kennedy as events that Dr. David Kaiser of the U.S. Naval War College describes as "controversies in American political history that dwarf all others."

The claim that the administration of President Lyndon Johnson deliberately triggered the Vietnam War by orchestrating the Tonkin Gulf incident and duping Congress is not a new one. Two recent books--Sedgwick Tourison's Secret Army, Secret War (reviewed in the February 1997 Vietnam) and Dr. Edwin Moise's Tonkin Gulf and the Escalation of the Vietnam War--and other new revelations may indicate, however, that the claim is certainly more plausible than could once be proved. Thirty-three years after the fact, modern Tonkin Gulf researchers pointedly ask: Did the United States intentionally instigate the first attack on USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin on August 2, 1964? Did Hanoi actually order a second attack on Maddox on August 4, 1964? And, if the Communist Vietnamese did not launch this second attack, then did Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara knowingly and deliberately mislead the U.S. Congress to obtain support for what would become the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, to ensure President Johnson's re-election and ultimately lead the United States into war?



President Lyndon B. Johnson signs "Gulf of Tonkin" resolution.
8/10/1964


The story of former South Vietnamese special operation forces, part of an American covert intelligence effort known as Operation Plan 34A (or 34 Alpha), is finally coming to light. Details about the plan are now available, thanks to the release of once-classified documents and disclosures by former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and military intelligence officials.

When Hanoi officially switched its reunification strategy to one of armed conflict in 1960, the Communists, through infiltration, began to build an organized regular force that threatened the American-backed Saigon regime in South Vietnam. In 1961, hoping to undermine the Communist Vietnamese government in Hanoi, the CIA initiated a joint sea-land covert special operation with the South Vietnamese government to dissuade Hanoi from its infiltration activities.

The CIASouth Vietnamese covert force conducted airborne, maritime and overland agent-insertion operations. South Vietnamese covert operatives were to gather intelligence, recruit support, establish bases of resistance and carry out psychological operations behind enemy lines. The maritime operation began as an infiltration operation. But beginning in June 1962, with the loss of the vessel Nautelas II and four commandos, it evolved into hit-and-run attacks against North Vietnamese shore and island installations by South Vietnamese and foreign mercenary crews on high-speed patrol boats.

The Tonkin Gulf Resolution


While some infiltration operations had some initial successes, such successes were few. The CIA suspected the North Vietnamese were capturing and attempting to turn the agents immediately upon their arrival. By the end of 1963, a National Security Council Special Group, the staff of the special assistant for counterinsurgency and special activities of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and the CIA were all apparently aware that the covert attacks were unproductive. According to former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, "It accomplished virtually nothing." But the operation was not discontinued. According to Tourison, by January 1964 McNamara had taken over the operation from the CIA, and it became known as 34 Alpha. Now in charge, the Pentagon assumed that the overwhelming majority of the airborne commando agents either had been killed or captured or were working for their captors, the Communist North Vietnamese.


Sectretary of Defense - Robert McNamara


Although it appeared that the program had been compromised, new agent teams continued to be recruited, trained and inserted into North Vietnam. By August 1968, approximately 500 of these men were presumed lost. In his book, Tourison poses an interesting question: Were these teams of commandos deliberately used initially to push Hanoi into war and later to test U.S. communications security, or were they simply victims of effective North Vietnamese counterintelligence operations? The answer lies in the story behind what were known as the U.S. Navy's DeSoto patrols.

DeSoto patrols were U.S. naval intelligence collection operations using specially equipped vessels to gather electronic signals intelligence from shore-and island-based noncommunications emitters in North Vietnam. By August 2, 1964, the Communist Vietnamese had determined that the DeSoto vessels were offshore support for a 34-Alpha operation that had struck their installations at Hon Me and Hon Ngu some 48 hours earlier. In retaliation, the North Vietnamese then conducted an "unprovoked attack" on Maddox, which was approximately 30 miles off the coast of North Vietnam. During the battle that ensued, one North Vietnamese patrol boat was severely damaged by Maddox, and two others were attacked and chased off by U.S. air support from the carrier USS Ticonderoga.



On August 4, 1964, Maddox and USS C. Turner Joy reported a second attack, this one occurring within 17 hours of 34-Alpha raids on North Vietnamese facilities at Cap Vinh Son and Cua Ron. On that day the National Security Agency (NSA) had warned that an attack on Maddox appeared imminent. An hour after the NSA's warning, Maddox claimed that she had established radar contact with three or four unidentified vessels approaching at high speed. Ticonderoga soon launched aircraft to assist Maddox and C. Turner Joy. Low clouds and thunderstorms reportedly made visibility very poor for the aircraft, and the pilots never confirmed the presence of any North Vietnamese attackers. During the next several hours, the ships reported more than 20 torpedo attacks, the visual sighting of torpedo wakes, searchlight illumination, automatic-weapons fire, and radar and sonar contact.

Despite the recommendation of Captain John J. Herrick, the recently assigned senior officer on board Maddox, that the circumstances--including darkness, stormy seas and nervous, inexperienced crewmen--warranted a "thorough investigation," Secretary of Defense McNamara told Congress there was "unequivocal proof" of the second "unprovoked attack" on U.S. ships. Within hours of McNamara's revelations, Congress passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, and the United States plunged into the only war it has ever lost.

"McNamara's War"


McNamara's account, backed by the Johnson administration, did not go unchallenged. Before a joint executive session of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services Committee debating full congressional support for the resolution, Senator Wayne Morse (D-Ore.), who had already dubbed the conflict "McNamara's War," declared: "I am unalterably opposed to this course of action which, in my judgment, is an aggressive course of action on the part of the United States. I think you are kidding the world if you try to give the impression that when the South Vietnamese naval boats bombarded two islands a short distance off the coast of North Vietnam we were not implicated." Senator Morse also noted that the American vessels were "conveniently standing by" as support for 34-Alpha operations.



Senator Wayne Morse (D-Ore.)


In response, McNamara denied any U.S. naval involvement in the South Vietnamese-run operations, asserting that the DeSoto operations were neither support nor cover for 34-Alpha raids. Tourison sets the record straight on this issue. "The MarOps [maritime operations] were not CIA-supported South Vietnamese operations that the United States had no control over as former Secretary of Defense McNamara claimed," writes Tourison. "These operations were under U.S. control, not South Vietnamese."

McNamara also claimed that the Maddox crew had no knowledge of the 34-Alpha raids. McNamara now acknowledges that this claim was untrue, although he maintains that he did not know it at the time. Captain Herrick and his crew did indeed know of the 34-Alpha operations. In fact, retired Lt. Gen. Phillip B. Davidson, the former chief of intelligence for the U.S. Army Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV), cites Captain Herrick's observation that Maddox personnel were extremely concerned that the 34-Alpha operations were putting their ship in harm's way. Davidson further endorses Herrick's assessment that this concern may have resulted in an overly nervous crew and unreliable reporting about the second attack in the gulf.

On August 7, 1964, the Senate passed support for Tonkin Gulf Resolution 88-2, with Senators Morse and Ernest Gruening (D-Alaska) voting nay. The House voted 4160 in support. Prophetically, Senator Morse closed his argument by saying, "I believe that within the next century, future generations will look with dismay and great disappointment upon a Congress which is now about to make such a historic mistake."



The events surrounding the resolution and its passage point to a tragic failure in the U.S. decision-making system of the time. At a crucial moment in history, U.S. intelligence-collection agencies directly fed raw intelligence data to U.S. policy-makers without submitting that data to thorough and proper analysis. The prevalence of this kind of unpolished intelligence support to government leaders helped open the door to full U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

In 1972, Louis Tordella, the deputy director of the NSA, announced that the decoded message on which the NSA's August 4 warning to Maddox had been based actually referred to the original attack on August 2. And the "unequivocal proof" of the second attack consisted of decrypted North Vietnamese damage assessments of the first attack (August 2) that were presented to top-level U.S. decision-makers as the alleged second attack was being reported to the Pentagon. According to a U.S. News and World Report exposi, former CIA Deputy Director for Intelligence Ray S. Cline verified this series of mistakes in 1984. Given the extreme volitality and pressure of the situation, the fact that some decision-makers were confused by intercepts suggesting two attacks is understandable. That they acted so quickly on rash assumptions--removing the chance for necessary debate and analysis--added insult to injury in an already untenable decision climate.

The Pentagon Papers


In his book Vietnam at War, General Davidson points out that Herrick was a combat veteran who realized that the Maddox crew had never before been in combat. He claims that Captain Herrick's assessment that the "entire action leaves many doubts except for apparent attempt to ambush at the beginning " remains the most valid summation of the second attack.

Understandably, in the United States the Vietnam War as a whole and the Tonkin Gulf Incident in particular remain topics of widely ranging interpretation and debate. McNamara recently visited Hanoi, where he met with Communist Vietnamese Senior General Vo Nguyen Giap. McNamara also invited the Vietnamese to participate in a conference of top Vietnam War decision-makers to, according to press reports of the visit, "correct the historical record." During his visit, Giap told McNamara that "absolutely nothing" happened on August 4, 1964. McNamara later endorsed this statement by his former adversary.



In his recent book, In Retrospect: The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam, McNamara admits that the United States "may have provoked a North Vietnamese response in the Tonkin Gulf," albeit innocently. He maintains, however, that "charges of a cloak of deception surrounding the Tonkin Gulf incident are unfounded. The idea that the Johnson administration deliberately deceived Congress is fake." Many disagree. Coincidentally, on the very day McNamara was in Hanoi, American veterans, historians and scholars met in Washington, D.C., for a conference sponsored by the Vietnam Veterans Institute. One of the conference's many prominent guest speakers was Daniel Ellsberg, the former Johnson administration member who leaked the Pentagon Papers to the press. In his presentation, Ellsberg addressed the question of whether the Johnson administration deliberately misled Congress: "Did McNamara lie to Congress in 1964? I can answer that question. Yes, he did lie, and I knew it at the time. I was working for John McNaughton....I was his special assistant. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. He knew McNamara had lied. McNamara knew he had lied. He is still lying. [Former Secretary of State Dean] Rusk and McNamara testified to Congress...prior to their vote....Congress was being lied into...what was to be used as a formal declaration of war. I knew that....I don't look back on that situation with pride."



Ellsberg is not the only former government official of the era to expose this alleged conspiracy. In 1977, former Under Secretary of State George Ball claimed in an interview televised by the British Broadcasting Corporation: "Many of the people associated with the war...were looking for any excuse to initiate bombing. The DeSoto Patrols were primarily for provocation....There was a feeling that if the destroyer got into trouble, that would provide the provocation needed."

Was this provocation needed to initiate bombing, or to assist the Johnson administration during an election year? Either goal certainly seems plausible.

A Total War Footing


Interestingly, a resolution stating, "Upon request of South Vietnam or the Laotian government to use all measures including the commitment of U.S. Armed Forces in their Defense"--the very resolution that became the Tonkin Gulf Resolution--had been prepared in May 1964, three months before the "unprovoked attacks" ever occurred. At the time, Johnson was running his presidential campaign on a peace ticket. Johnson's main opponent for the presidency, Senator Barry Goldwater, was pushing for an even tougher U.S. stance in Southeast Asia. An "unprovoked attack" by North Vietnam would give Johnson the opportunity to respond with limited force and improve his image with the American people without appearing to agree with his main political opponent, a man the Johnson administration was busy painting as a candidate who would potentially lead the country into a nuclear war.



If this line of thinking was part of Johnson's plan, it was well-calculated. In response to the Tonkin Gulf attacks, the president launched a limited airstrike and warned Hanoi against further aggression. Thus, four months prior to the November election, he appeared firm but not a warmonger. His approval rating with the American people soared from 42 percent to 72 percent, and within three months he overwhelmingly won his campaign for the presidency.

Tourison claims that the 34-Alpha raids and the DeSoto operations were carefully orchestrated to solicit a North Vietnamese response in the Gulf of Tonkin, a claim that appears at least plausible: "These facts argue that if U.S. communications intelligence resources were able to intercept these messages, Washington also would have known that Hanoi had placed all its forces [on a] total war footing. Intercepted passages would have revealed how closely Hanoi was monitoring the raids undertaken by MACSOG's [MACV's Studies and Observations Group] forces. Further, Washington would have known that Hanoi was closely watching the obvious high correlation between other Seventh Fleet electronic and communications intelligence activities in support of Plan 34A and the full range of covert maritime, airborne, agent, and psychological operations being conducted by MACSOG and the CIA. Information about these actions, in spite of increased questions about the widening war, was closely guarded by a select few in the executive branch who had a need to know."

McNamara explains it differently: "Although some individuals knew of both DeSoto and 34A operations and patrols, the approval process was compartmentalized; few, if any, senior officials either planned or followed in detail the operational schedules of both. We should have."



Tourison's position suggests quite the opposite, and testimony from Daniel Ellsberg seems to back him up: "One of my first jobs in the Defense Department was to carry around...the 30 day schedule, regularly, of those operations starting in August [1964].... I carried those plans to Alex Chowpin in the U.S. State Department...to McGeorge Bundy...and they would initial it. They followed every aspect of it. This is what then both Rusk and McNamara testified to Congress about prior to their vote on a Tonkin Gulf Resolution that was to be used as a declaration of war."



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To: Darksheare
Hi Dark!!!

Sounds like a fun day!! The artists at a fair are fun to talk with. I have seen some wonderful work. One year there were huge wood sculptures, sculpted from huge tree trunks and roots. Items such as bed posts and frame work to lawn decorations. So cool. I especially enjoy the jousting tournament.

The food is wonderful too, turkey legs, apple fritter like thingys, all goodies from the period. The last time I attended was in the 90's and throughly enjoyed it.
81 posted on 08/03/2003 4:22:05 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: bentfeather
Didn't see any sculptures, as we were getting rained on after a bit, but I did see another pencil sketch artist like myself there.
Didn't get to sample the food ,we were there to wander about and 'scout' what there is for the next trip down. (Shopping invasion. Battle cries of "Buy! Buy!! BUY!!!" At least, that's wat I'm going to be hearing next time around.)

I, of course, was eyeing the SCA combat style weapons. (Blunted swords designed for recreated fight scenes and such.)
Didn't get to wander the whole site due to rain and some mild time constraints. :/
82 posted on 08/03/2003 4:33:04 PM PDT by Darksheare ("I didn't say it wouldn't burn, I said it wouldn't hurt.")
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To: Darksheare
So, how do you like our choice of logos for your coffee so far. LOL.

SAM and I had fun with graphics while you were away and SAM was waiting for the family to get ready so he could load up the car for his camping trip.

See, we think of folks when there not here. Like family. :)
83 posted on 08/03/2003 4:45:31 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: manna
Yeah. Good evening manna.
84 posted on 08/03/2003 4:45:54 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Hmm, so I see.
*chuckle*
Navy doesn't make the strongest coffee anymore, eh?
;-)
85 posted on 08/03/2003 5:03:24 PM PDT by Darksheare ("I didn't say it wouldn't burn, I said it wouldn't hurt.")
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To: Darksheare
Navy doesn't make the strongest coffee anymore, eh?

I guess not since you came along. *grin*

86 posted on 08/03/2003 5:14:33 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
That's not fair, my coffee should have at least SOME competition...


....right?
87 posted on 08/03/2003 5:31:54 PM PDT by Darksheare ("I didn't say it wouldn't burn, I said it wouldn't hurt.")
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To: snippy_about_it
What if we had supported Ho Chi Minh instead of the French? The OSS put him in power and saved his life. At one time he was very pro-American.

I had a friend who was a figher pilot in the South East Asia area during WWII. He once told me if you were shot down where Ho Chi Minh's forces were, they would get you back to allied lines. However, if the French got you, they would turn you in to the Japs.

I guess the lesson in history, that still rings true, is if the French are involved, it is going to get screwed up.
88 posted on 08/03/2003 5:50:21 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Served in Vietnam and Korea and still fighting America's enemies on the home front)
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To: snippy_about_it
MY coffee, a legend???
How?
89 posted on 08/03/2003 6:10:30 PM PDT by Darksheare ("I didn't say it wouldn't burn, I said it wouldn't hurt.")
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To: U S Army EOD; SAMWolf
We don't even capitalize the french around here. :)
90 posted on 08/03/2003 6:29:01 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Darksheare
MY coffee, a legend??? How?

Well, we made it one right here at the Foxhole. Who hasn't heard of it in our little corner of FR?

Now that SAM is off camping and getting his rest I think I'll turn in early and get some rest too! A little more tweaking of tomorrow's thread and then zzzzzz's for me.

Goodnight Darksheare.

91 posted on 08/03/2003 6:32:19 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; Darksheare; ALOHA RONNIE; ...
A Zen parable warns against mistaking the finger pointing at the moon for the moon.

In my view discussions of the "Gulf of Tonkin incident" make this error in wretched excess.

Ellsberg should have been hung.

Goldwater should have been elected.

JFKs National Security Action Memorandum No. 263 October 11, 1963 was a camouflaged order to "withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963."

JFK intended to remove 1,000 per month thereafter until all were out.

LBJs National Security Action Memorandum No. 273 November 26, 1963--the first business day after JFKs funeral--rescinded that of October 11, by stating "objectives of the United States with respect ot the withdrawal of U.S. military personnel remain as stated in the White House statment of October 2, 1963."

The New York Times and the liberal broadcast networks worked with the Democrats to paint Barry Goldwater as a "dangerous extremist"--and helped LBJ to victory in the 1964 election.

November 1965 the Joint Chiefs assembled in the White House to persuade LBJ to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong. He listened for 15 minutes, then cursed them in humiliating fashion. I will fax to anyone interested "The Day It Became The Longest War" by Lt. Gen. Charles G. Cooper, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.) [aide to the Joint Chiefs at that historic meeting] originally published in May 1996 Proceedings of the U.S. Naval Institute.

Barry Goldwater knew in advance what Colin Powell enunciated only after the loss of 58,000 American warriors: there is no substitute for victory.

The Communists killed an additional 1.5 million after overrunning the South. Their Cambodian counterparts killed 2 million.

Per The Black Book of Communism, Communists have killed 100,000,000. The prime tenet of today's Peoples Liberation Army of China is "war with the main enemy is inevitable, the sooner the better."

China has amassed 450 IRBMs opposite Taiwan and continues to acquire Russian fighters, destroyers, subs, torpedoes, missiles, AWACS, GPS weaponry.

The Clinton Administration gave China the U.S. missile guidance superiority in the 200-page fax from Loral-Hughes (Clinton's major donors Bernard L. Schwartz and C. Michael Armstrong) which the May 1997 Defense Department report said "damaged national security".

The further transfer of technology included the 1995 publication by U.S. News & World Report of the two-page color graphic of the W-87 warhead courtesy Secretary of Energy Hazel O'Leary.

A further cheerful note appears in the account by Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, USAF (Ret.) [Carrier of the 'nuclear football'] Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Compromised America's National Security, Regnery, 2003.

When the author and his military colleague entered the Oval Office for the annual nuclear briefing and nuclear code update, when time to physically exchange the previous year's codes for the new codes, the commander-in-chief of U.S. forces Bill Clinton informed the two officers he had lost the codes.

The codes were never found, never recovered.

In May 2000 the National Parks Service conducted a "controlled burn" at Bandelier National Monument which burned not 300 but 50,000 acres--causing the one-week evacuation of Los Alamos National Laboratories.

[During the term of Bill Richardson as Secretary of Energy.]

Upon re-entering the Labs, it was discovered that two hard drives containing emergency data on nuclear warheads were missing--and were later recovered in an area searched twice previously.

Yet we are somehow at risk from sixteen words in the SOTUS for 2003 [which are still vouched to be true by the Brits].

I went door to door for Goldwater, believing in the victory over Communism which Reagan led America to achieve--at least vis a vis the Soviets.

As Hillary the intern for Communist Robert Treuhaft rises in the polls, we see the same treasonous New York Times attempting to smear the energetic defender of America.

Eschew treason; pursue American victory.


92 posted on 08/03/2003 6:36:12 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; AntiJen
Just popping in to say hello. I can't keep up with my pings lately. School starts next week and I'm busy with my studies. Love you all.
93 posted on 08/03/2003 7:55:01 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: PhilDragoo
Thank you Phil.
94 posted on 08/03/2003 8:28:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (SAM has gone camping)
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To: SpookBrat
Thanks SpookBrat. Good luck with the studies, we'll be around. :)
95 posted on 08/03/2003 8:29:03 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (SAM has gone camping)
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To: PhilDragoo
Hi Phil. Thanks for your post.
96 posted on 08/03/2003 10:09:51 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SpookBrat
Hi Spooky. LOL, we need to talk, lots of good news, hehehe. Let's talk soon.
97 posted on 08/03/2003 10:11:09 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: PhilDragoo
BTTT!!!!!!
98 posted on 08/04/2003 3:12:16 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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