Posted on 04/10/2005 4:59:54 PM PDT by diverteach
Modern communication technology has helped make the Pope’s death an unparalleled event. The entire world has literally come together to praise this one man. I find that many sense that there will be some important and climactic consequences to follow the death of this Pope.
As I studied the many Bible prophecies of the Last Days, I found a most unusual extra-Biblical prophecy made by an Irish Catholic Bishop in the 12th Century. His name is St. Malachy. According to his biographer St. Bernard of Clairvaux, in his book Life of Saint Malachy, St. Malachy was known to have the gift of prophesy and even predicted the exact day and hour of his own death. St. Malachy was canonized in 1190 by Pope Clement III.
According to his biographer, St. Malachy was visiting Rome in 1139 when he went into a trance and received a vision. Malachy wrote down this extraordinary vision in which he claims to have foreseen all of the Popes from the death of Innocent II until the destruction of the Church and the Return of Christ. He named exactly 112 Popes from that time until the end.
St. Malachy wrote a few prophetically descriptive words in Latin about each one of the Popes. He then gave the manuscript to Pope Innocent II and it was deposited in the Vatican Archives where it was forgotten for several centuries. Then in 1590, it was rediscovered and published.
The interesting thing is that scholars have matched the brief 110 descriptive predictions with each of the 110 Popes and anti-Popes that there have been since Innocent II. Though they are a bit obscure, they have fit the general profile of each of the Popes.
Now these are in no way the same kind of predictions we find in the Bible....
(Excerpt) Read more at hallindseyoracle.com ...
And of course I meant Post # 118 to address to you. Oops.
2 Timothy 4:
1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at[a] His appearing and His kingdom:
2Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
6For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
What Paul says, in context, is an exhortation and commission given to Timothy, and that for all who have loved Christ there is the "crown of righteousness" awaiting all who love Christ at the end of their sojourne on earth.
Perhaps you don't mean to be cruel to someone who thinks differently.
Either substanitate that accusation or retract it.
If not, then its obvious you are disingenuous.
Do you mean to imply that since I don't agree with you, I am ignorant to the teaching of the Scripture?
I don't imply that disagreeing with me means you are ignorant of Scripture and lacking in discernment. I am saying that following and believing dispensationalists who twist and misappropriate Scripture like Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey do in their sophistry clearly shows ignorance of sound biblical doctrine, sound Biblical teaching and sound Biblical interpretation.
That is cruel.
No, that is not "cruel", it is the truth, delivered in love, so that hopefully, you will come to see the errors of their really bad theology, much of which is heretical and antitheitical to the Gospel and sound doctrine, and done so in accordance with Scriptural commands.
2 Timothy 4:
2Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
The dispensational myth of a secret rapture is devise for those with itching ears, and is not Biblical in the slightest.
I'm afraid you also are lacking in knowledge of what Biblical love is, and unfortunately have been conditioned by the culture to be hypersensitive whereby you think the truth told to you in love is "cruel".
I don't think you actually know what "cruel" is either.
Exactly, very well said.
Obviously a difference in translations. My Bible, the New Living Translation says exactly this...VERSE 8 And now the prize awaits me--the crown of righteousness that the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on that great day of his return. And the prize is not just for me but for all who eagerly LOOK FORWARD to his glorious return.
And as far as being cruel, it's all in how it is taken isn't it. I don't have my feelings hurt at all, but there are kinder ways of saying "you really aren't as smart as I am because you don't read the Bible the same way I do". I'm glad God is my judge and not you.
Actually, it's documented that he's never received any degree of any sort.
He did get a certificate from Dallas Theological Seminary, but never pursued the rigors of a theological degree.
The dispensational myth of a secret rapture is devise for those with itching ears, and is not Biblical in the slightest.
He did get a certificate from Dallas Theological Seminary, but never pursued the rigors of a theological degree
No, he attended DTS. There's a critical difference.
He did not graudate with their rigoruous ThM. degree, but a "certificate" of studies there.
For those concerned that I am saying that a theological degree is necessary for ministry, I am not. His lack of serious theological training does not preclude him from the ministry. It does, however, preclude him from being considered an expert theologian, which he misleadingly holds himself out as.
Ooooooooh, I gotcha now. But the degree Paul had was of no use to him. And the original 11 apostles [not counting Judas] of the New Testament were all taught by Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Very interesting. We don't need anymore pharasees among us, please!!! Jesus called them vipers!
You get all that from 1Co. 15 and 1Th. 4?
Let's look at the elements of your claim:
1. Jesus will come back in the air. Okay, this is undisputed across orthodox Christianity. It's clear that this is derived from 1Co. 15 and 1Th. 4.Hopefully this will show you the tenuousness of the dispensational Rapture viewpoint - it, without sufficient reason, says, "Jesus Christ comes back to earth not just one more time, but twice." It muddies things up with a complex scheme with only the scantiest Scriptural support.
2. Jesus will catch up the church from the earth. Okay, at some point, the elect are gathered. This, too, is undisputed amongst orthodox Christianity and clearly derived from 1Co. 15, 1Th. 4, and (as a bonus) Mat. 24.
3. Jesus will then return to the earth with the church. This is the kicker. From where is this derived? It's not explicitly in the text of 1Co. 15 nor 1The. 4. Best I can come up with is Jude 14 ("Look! The Lord has come with thousands and thousands of his holy ones"), but Jude is tricky to exegete, and its not at all clear that "holy ones" refers to Christians.
It isn't Pharisiacal to demand that those who claim to be theologians need to have actually studied theology. I expect, if Lindsey is going to hold himself out as knowing something about Biblical exegesis, that he must be qualified. He must know how to work with the text in the original languages, or step aside for those who do. Instead, his "teachings" are nothing more than futile speculations.
(And, incidentally, the evidence suggests that several of the Apostles were quite well schooled, theologically. John, for instance, was known by the High Priest.)
The Pharisees were excoriated, not because they demanded theological precision, but for creating a hypertechnical legalistic code.
Futile speculations like Hal Lindseys were to be forthrightly confronted by 1Ti. 1:3-4 - and be told to shut up. Lindsey needs to be silenced, because he is ignorant, doesn't know what he's talking about, and merely leads people astray.
Hopefully this will show you the tenuousness of the dispensational Rapture viewpoint - it, without sufficient reason, says, "Jesus Christ comes back to earth not just one more time, but twice." It muddies things up with a complex scheme with only the scantiest Scriptural support.
Look at that verse again. "God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation." The opposite of the "wrath" in view is not an eschatological paroxysm of judgment upon the earth, but Divine Judgment. The opposite of wrath is salvation, not some sort of pretrib escape.
As for Rev. 19, assuming it speaks even remotely literally (which is not a given, since the Apocalypse is thoroughly loaded with symbolic imagery), it says only "heavenly armies." That doesn't necessarily, and indeed probably does not, refer to the church. Look at Dan. 7:10, Mat. 16:27, and Heb. 12:22. This evokes angelic, and not ecclesiastical, imagery.
No one says you HAVE to believe there is a catching away of the faithful and righteous, but it is scriptural, as I have pointed out. God, throughout the Bible, always saved his righteous people before judgement fell upon the earth ~~ No one believed Noah, until he and his family went into the arc, and the earth was destroyed by the great flood, and when Sodom and G. was destroyed, God spared Lot and his two daughters. And in each instance, there were warnings of the destruction beforehand.
Hey, if you want to be around in the Great Trib., that's up to you. But, if you are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, scripture tells us that the Lord will take us out.
"pretrib escape"
edit to correct.:
I mistyped my last post. The chapter in Revelations is 19.
you all still going at it? I've been watching and sometimes posting, but I finally decided that some people just like to hijack threads and cause strife. But Daisy4 you make some excellent points. Thank you for clearing things up! Hal is wonderful and God has given him the "gift" of prophecy. That is better that having a degree. You get degrees from man...Gifts come from God.
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