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Why the nation will embrace universal health care
The Seattle Times ^ | 6/3/05 | Lance Dickie

Posted on 06/03/2005 10:17:58 AM PDT by bagocookies

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To: bagocookies
Runaway Health Care prices have been driven by Unconstitutional Federal invovlement in Health Care. These surveys prove only that the public understands very little of the dynamics involved--perhaps no more than our elected "Leaders" understand of Constitutional concepts.

Nothing would be more counter-productive than an extension of the already outrageous Federal involvement.

See Medicare--Panacea or Death Potion?

William Flax

41 posted on 06/03/2005 10:34:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Labyrinthos
Then he should be able to quickly and easily dispel any questions about his/her/its motives by simply answering my question - right?

BTW, many trolls would stay around and respond to questions also (which this person really HASN'T as far as I can tell) if they weren't first ZOTTED.

42 posted on 06/03/2005 10:34:33 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks

You haven't asked me any questions about my motives. Ask and I will reply.


43 posted on 06/03/2005 10:35:33 AM PDT by bagocookies
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To: theDentist

Why does it never occur to these types that the cost problems associated with health care result from government involvement, combined with the ridiculous idea that it is an employer’s responsibility to fix their employee’s kid’s teeth. How about this: Drastically roll-back government regulation of health insurance, burn all malpractice lawyers in a massive pit, remove all tax benefits associated with paying for employee health care. Completely disassociate the purchase of health care from employment. Sit back and watch costs drop drastically.


44 posted on 06/03/2005 10:35:35 AM PDT by Minn
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To: Oberon

Yup. I dunno about physicians fleeing the country (that's a huge move, and not many places better even if socialized health care were implemented) but over time fewer will go into medicine and thus quality will decrease.

If price/wage controls are instituted, then socialized health care would be a disaster.


45 posted on 06/03/2005 10:35:38 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: bagocookies
The fundamental change is that a broad swath of the public knows it is poorly served by an inefficient and bureaucratic system....

The Federal government should fix that....

</sarcasm>

46 posted on 06/03/2005 10:35:57 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: bagocookies

Because they've been lied to about how it works. Or even the fact that it works at all.


47 posted on 06/03/2005 10:35:58 AM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: bagocookies

You are right. The large corporations are attempting to shift responsibility to small companies and ordinary citizens through their state-corporatist advocacy of nationalized health care.


48 posted on 06/03/2005 10:36:41 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: bagocookies

The best sometimes costs a little more. Just check out what the UK is experiencing with their universal healthcare...it isn't pretty.


49 posted on 06/03/2005 10:36:58 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: 2banana

Exactly...this system would fail because the trial lawyers won't want it.


50 posted on 06/03/2005 10:38:03 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: bagocookies

If this ever comes to pass, we will have rogue doctors out there who will have fee for service practices.


51 posted on 06/03/2005 10:38:21 AM PDT by Cate
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To: Minn

Actually I'd have to disagree with you on the kids teeth thing. Most employers I have worked for see a benefit in providing some sort of health care. A healthy person and / or family cuts down on time absent and increases the overall moral of any company.

A good health plan or access to one usually is good for a company


52 posted on 06/03/2005 10:38:27 AM PDT by JNL
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To: bagocookies
Sixty-five percent of Americans support the U.S. government guaranteeing health insurance for all citizens, even if it means raising taxes, according to a survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. The number stays strong across the ideological spectrum because poor access to health care affects red and blue states alike.

I'll bet this same 65% indicated support for "guaranteed health insurance" back in 1993, too -- and yet the Clinton plan was so abysmal that even the Democrat-dominated House and Senate wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

What many people eventually figure out is that the primary goal of government-sponsored health care is not "guaranteed access," "elimination of excess overhead," etc. -- it's a reduction of health-care costs through government-enforced methods that people would never tolerate from insurance companies or any other private business. The underlying premise of government-sponsored health care -- and the reason it "works" to the extent that it reduces costs -- is that the reductions in the quality of care people receive are done under the force of law, which means people don't have too many options if they don't like it.

53 posted on 06/03/2005 10:38:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: oblomov
You are right. The large corporations are attempting to shift responsibility to small companies and ordinary citizens through their state-corporatist advocacy of nationalized health care.

What happens if a doctor wants to treat people that for example, pay cash for services? You wonder if that would be prohibited.

54 posted on 06/03/2005 10:39:22 AM PDT by Fury
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To: bagocookies
Stop being coy, newbie. My question about your thoughts on socialized medicine clearly is a de facto question on your motives for posting the article (duh).

If I falsely maligned you, then I certainly apologize, but you need to learn a little FREEPER manners/etiquette. It is proper to put the term "Barf alert" in parenthesis after goofy left wing article such as these.

Again, sorry for any wrong assumptions.

55 posted on 06/03/2005 10:39:37 AM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: gregwest

My husband has one of those. It's just started and we haven't needed to use it yet, though, so I can't really say how useful it will be.


56 posted on 06/03/2005 10:39:57 AM PDT by ahayes
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To: bagocookies

I want a medical savings account that can roll over into an IRA, and catastrophic insurance coverage. Think of the possibilities...


57 posted on 06/03/2005 10:40:01 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: bagocookies

bagocookies
Since Jun 2, 2005

Companies are not moving towards national healthcare, they are moving towards letting the employee take more responsibility for their own plan.

Additionally, doctors are not moving towards national healthcare. More and more they are moving to private practice and don't accept health plans.


58 posted on 06/03/2005 10:41:03 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: AntiGuv
If price/wage controls are instituted, then socialized health care would be a disaster.

Under a single-payer system, you think the gov's going to let doctors charge whatever they want to?

59 posted on 06/03/2005 10:41:27 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: bagocookies

Corporate America will embrace universal health care as a way to shift the cost of insurance expenses for workers and retirees to the federal government and the public.

Yeah, you know, to the mythical, phantom 'government' that pays all the bills without taxing corporations or workers....it just, somehow, gets paid without actually costing anyone anything.....great system! Just ask Hillary.


60 posted on 06/03/2005 10:41:52 AM PDT by hardworking (Seven wishy-washy Republican senators = America's soft underbelly that Osama B.L. mentioned)
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