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Why the nation will embrace universal health care
The Seattle Times ^ | 6/3/05 | Lance Dickie

Posted on 06/03/2005 10:17:58 AM PDT by bagocookies

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To: theDentist
I just can't take seriously any article authored by a man named Lance Dickie.

I kept waiting for the article to say "Special to the Weekly World News."

61 posted on 06/03/2005 10:42:03 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (With a QB named Kerry, is it any wonder the Raiders finished 5-11 last year?)
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To: bagocookies

no way. Only two congresses ever diddled with universal health. the Democrats lost congress in 1946 when they first did, and again in 1994......no way no how


62 posted on 06/03/2005 10:42:43 AM PDT by mo
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To: AntiGuv
Universal health care seems to be inevitable,

To the left socialism and open borders seems to be inevitable. If they win elections it will be. So will homosexuality be normal. The USA will settle down and join the great European society and we will all live in peace. FWIW, you are caving in too easily.

63 posted on 06/03/2005 10:43:22 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: bagocookies
People find out how little coverage they have as they parse the medical and insurance jargon of what is routine and required, and fumble for the right questions to ask.

Yeah, they ask "What happened to all that health care that I used to get for next to free?"

Really, what this boils down to is a desperate attempt to get free health care. And it won't happen.

We would be better off moving to a system of Medical Savings Accounts, where the money can be rolled over from year to year, coupled with catastrophic coverage. And add incentives to not just blow the MSA amounts - such as allowing twenty percent to be rebated tax-free if it is not used, and further incentives for preventative health care.

And you would have a market-based system, or something that much more resembles one.

64 posted on 06/03/2005 10:43:48 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: JNL
A good health plan or access to one usually is good for a company

And the fact that it is considered a prerequisite for a good job is the chief reason people feel paying for medical care should be somebody else’s responsibility, the chief reason they never bother to ask what medical services cost before consuming them, and the chief reason costs soar.

65 posted on 06/03/2005 10:44:39 AM PDT by Minn
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To: jdege
The problem exists because the marginal cost of receiving health care services is less than the marginal cost of providing health care services. Any free-market approach will have to solve this problem in a meaningful way.
66 posted on 06/03/2005 10:44:40 AM PDT by Poopyhead (healthcare)
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To: cherry

I agree something is very wrong with our system, but I want the feds to stay out of it, as everything they touch turns to doo doo. What I would like to see is the employer taken out of the picture entirely....where is the logic in dragging the employer into the picture?

I would like to be able to shop around for group health insurance and pay my premiums myself. What irks me is that I am chained to my job like a slave just for the health insurance. I could afford to take off for two months, live on the cheap while still paying my bills, and travel or just relax....but I can't do this because I will no longer have affordable health insurance (Cobra payments too high). The whole system needs to be reformed, but remain privatized.


67 posted on 06/03/2005 10:45:22 AM PDT by Wage Slave (peevish coot)
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To: safeasthebanks

Point taken but I prefer to let people decide for themselves.


68 posted on 06/03/2005 10:45:53 AM PDT by bagocookies
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To: bagocookies
For doctors, the direct savings are in administrative costs.

Administrative costs are a tiny factor in medical costs although leftists would have us believe that additional inefficient PUBLIC bureaucracy would somehow do it better and cheaper.

The numebr one factor that causes doctors to change their buisness or go to private practice is INSURANCE PREMIUMS and or malpractice claims. Tort reform would do far more for making medical coverage affordable.

LWers like this author would tell us nothing is wrong with Social Security and there is no need to change it. IMO, LW moonbats are attacking the wrong system as needing change.

69 posted on 06/03/2005 10:46:26 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: bagocookies
"Disinformation and selective data from the usual think tanks has lost their sting."

So basically, CATO and the Heritage Institute have kicked your intillectual ass, and now you're working on your own disinformation campaign in the media, because you lost the battle of wits.

I don't want to get my posting privlidges revoked, but I really think something needs to be done about these freakin' commies.

70 posted on 06/03/2005 10:46:31 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Oberon

No, certainly not doctors within the government health care system, and I wouldn't support a system with price controls because I think it would reduce the quality of care over the long run.


71 posted on 06/03/2005 10:47:36 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv
I have to agree as well. We've allowed our health care system to degenerate into a corrupt and inefficient system. It's no more capitalist right now than it will be when nationalized.

I'm starting to think that the prevalence of evil is incompatible with a free society - which will be unfortunate for America.

72 posted on 06/03/2005 10:48:32 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: KC_for_Freedom

I am resigned, yes. I think that most Americans have embraced socialism and that the best we can do is strive toward the most well-designed socialism possible..


73 posted on 06/03/2005 10:48:58 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: jdege

IMHO, I am in complete agreement with the idea that the US is spiraling towards a single-payer system. I think this is horrible and dangerous, but I think it's inevitable unless major changes happen in the cost and availability of health insurance.

It is becoming almost impossible for the middle to lower income self-employed individuals to keep health insurance. In fact, as a CPA, I don't have a single self-employed client in this range that actually has a health policy for their family. In fact, at the current rates of premium increase, in a very short period of time, health insurance will be unaffordable for any family that makes under $80,000 per year. That is most of the deep South. This is the swing section of the US politically.

To just blow this problem off is dangerous and the equivalent to sticking our heads deep in the sand.

One example of this problem is from a story that a friend of mine wrote on-line in a web site that he has devoted to discussing this issue - http://healthcarebeware.com/one-uninsured-family.html
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74 posted on 06/03/2005 10:49:06 AM PDT by lnbchip
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To: Red Badger
When will someone please stand up and shout: "WE ALREADY HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE AND IT IS THE BEST IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD!

Agreed, but as an employer, I am spending upwards of $10,000 a year per employee for medical insurance and that's with a $20 to $40 per visit co-pay. I'm not sure that we need the best health care given the cost. Obviously, the EuroCanadian socialist system is a joke, but we really do need to explore other options to keep our private system cost effective, while protecting against catastropic losses and expenses.

?????When has ANYONE in the USA been DENIED HEALTHCARE?...........

I was recently denied health care when I went to the local emergency room for a couple of stiches. The waiting room was full of people, including many people who I suspect were "undocumented" illegal aliens, who were using the emergency room for primary care like colds, sore throats, and prenatal testing, and as a result, I was told to go to another hospital. I chose instead to go to a privately owned emergencey care center, where I paid for the stiches with my Visa Card. Seven weeks later, I am still fighting with my health insurer for reimbursement.

75 posted on 06/03/2005 10:49:09 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: bagocookies
The one sweetener I would add is having the new health system pick up the costs of medical-malpractice insurance. Spread the cost and create more financial and political incentives for doctors to support the new plan.

This is a trial lawyers wet dream. A federally funded kitty from which scumbag ambulance chasers make monthly withdrawls. In between running for VP and primping their hair of course.

76 posted on 06/03/2005 10:51:15 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: AntiGuv
FWIW, I personally agree. Universal health care seems to be inevitable, and it will be the first priority of the next Dem elected president, whenever that might be. It's mainly a matter of how it's going to get structured.

Be careful, the author has mixed two very different systems - National Health Care and National Health Insurance - two different animals. Which are you in favor of?

77 posted on 06/03/2005 10:51:16 AM PDT by Go Gordon (I love to snatch kisses..............and vice versa)
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To: bagocookies

Another socialist journalist dreaming on the pages of the newspaper. Ain't gonna happen.


78 posted on 06/03/2005 10:54:16 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Go Gordon

Of the two I would favor "national health insurance" definitely. I think socialized health care would be disastrous, but if the government merely nationalized the health insurance industry and then by some means offered coverage to everyone, I don't think the quality of care would suffer, so long as price/wage controls were not instituted.

But, lemme be clear that to think that something is inevitable is not the same as favoring it. Off the top of my head, I think a National ID is inevitable, but I certainly don't favor it.


79 posted on 06/03/2005 10:54:30 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Go Gordon

Neither really, I thought it would interest the health care debate. Good responses, such as how to lower the cost have been printed.


80 posted on 06/03/2005 10:54:31 AM PDT by bagocookies
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