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US Strips Jewish Army Major of Security Clearance
Jerusalem Post ^

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:52:57 AM PDT by RCW2001

US strips Jewish army major of security clearance
By Arieh O'Sullivan

The US Army has revoked the security clearance of a Jewish reserve major, forcing him to give up command of an intelligence unit, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

The officer claims the action was for no other reason other than his close ties and affiliation to Israel. He said this reflected an inherent anti-Semitism in the US intelligence community.

Maj. Shawn Pine, commander of the 300th Military Intelligence Company (Linguist) of Austin, Texas, holds dual US-Israeli citizenship and is also an IDF veteran of the Golani Brigade as well as the elite US Army Rangers.

Pine, a specialist in counterintelligence, said he was given top-secret clearance after going through a detailed background investigation and polygraph in 1991.

Born in the United States, Pine immigrated to Israel with his family at the age of 17 in the late 1970s. He was conscripted into the IDF and served three years in the Golani Brigade. But after his discharge, he returned to America for university studies. He chose a military career and served nine years as an officer in active duty in the US Army.

"It is not like my service and affiliation with Israel was kept a secret. I have always been very forthcoming in disclosing all of my interactions with Israel," Pine said.

"As with many Americans, the events of September 11th reinvigorated my sense of patriotism," Pine said. "But rather than try to utilize my experience and education, the US intelligence community is mired in a paranoid abyss in which it perceives every Jew to be Jonathan Pollard."

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To: Fiddlstix
Your#6: Stupid yes, but not for the reasons you stated. Letting a dual citizen, who has openly expressed loyalty to a country other than the USA, stay on a job dealing with top secrets of this country's intelligence is absolutely STUPID. Israel is not the United States, just a reminder for some people.
101 posted on 10/23/2001 11:13:32 AM PDT by desertcry
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To: RCW2001
Israeli hawk, Southern Christian here. I am totally pissed at the way the Arabists in the State Dept. are behaving but with this issue about this particular major, I really don't think that we all on this thread have enough info to be making solid comments from either the pro or anti-Israel contingents.

I would like to know much more before I'm willing to bash Rumsfeld and Co.

The major in question going immediately to press is not a favorable sign. IMHO

102 posted on 10/23/2001 11:13:37 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: sharkdiver
Thanks for your comments. Your Top Secret clearance is also updated every five years where they check you out for the past five years. My guess is that something came up in that 5-year update. There is definitely more to this story and his being Jewish has absolutely nothing to do with yanking the clearance. They do not yank clearances after spending all the money on investigations because of your religion. His going to an Israeli paper speaks volumes IMO!
103 posted on 10/23/2001 11:16:35 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Darth Sidious
If so then why is Wolfowitz so prominent at the pentagon. I love Wolfowitz BTW and I'm not yet buying into all this as an anti-Israel dig. If it were coming from State then you would most assuredly have a point.

The Bush administration is replete with some damn good conservative Jews who I'm very happy with (as opposed to the crowd Clinton dragged along)...I just don't buy all this anti-Jewish stuff...yet. The irony at the State Dept. is that many of the Arabist lackeys are indeed Jews themselves. One could say the same about Pali sympathizers in the media.

104 posted on 10/23/2001 11:18:48 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Fred25
We don’t need racists here.

LOL. So....this is your swan song?

105 posted on 10/23/2001 11:19:51 AM PDT by veronica
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To: Sabramerican
Who is we?

The Center for Disease Control. What you "like" spreads AIDS.

Lovely response.

106 posted on 10/23/2001 11:20:53 AM PDT by jo6pac
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To: fogarty
Among the many stupid things our Congress has done, the granting of dual citizenship to certain Americans has got to be one of the dumbest! You can't serve two masters. How does the Army know which side one of its soldiers will take when two competing nations have policies that collide and are in conflict? This guy should renounce one or the other of his "dual" loyalties".
107 posted on 10/23/2001 11:21:33 AM PDT by albee
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To: Dave S
Im talking national loyalty and you've converted that into religious loyalty...

What's the differenc?

And I might add that the Army major as far as we know has done nothing wrong...while Ames and know. I mean the wingnuts whine endlessly about Pollard - so sauce for the goose sauce for the gander.

108 posted on 10/23/2001 11:23:35 AM PDT by veronica
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To: RCW2001
Would it be "anti-Muslim bigotry" if a Saudi military veteran with dual citizenship in Saudi Arabia and the US was forced out of his Army Intelligence post? I don't think so.
109 posted on 10/23/2001 11:34:41 AM PDT by xm177e2
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To: Dave S
The bulk of the absentee ballots in Florida, other than Military were postmarked "Isreal."

Maybe that's why so many of them got lost!

110 posted on 10/23/2001 11:35:59 AM PDT by xm177e2
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To: RCW2001
On the surface at least, it looks like this guy was a spy since he immediately went to the press, so I have no problem with him losing his clearance.

What bothers me about it, though, is I'm sure we have Muslim spies in the military, too (as well as other areas of the government); but we wouldn't rescind their clearances for fear of offending the Muslims. Kind of ironic that we get rid of the ally and harbor the enemy.

111 posted on 10/23/2001 11:40:11 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Dave S
Well ... to be honest I do consider them special when it comes to being God's chosen people.

Can you imagine anyone's being more "simpatico" than Abraham ... who was prepared to sacrifice his own son and submit in perfect trust and love to God's will ... whether he understood it or not?

The voice of the Jews as it rings through the ages in Psalms and other writings of the Bible is extraordinary, I think, for its zeroing in on, complaining to, hiding from, bartering with, relying on, trusting in and longing for God in a most direct and personal and loving way you just don't see in any other civilization even though theirs is a universal experience. They are special. How could Christians possibly not understand the perfection of Christ's birth as a Jew?

But I just see no reason to extend my regard for Judaism to the State of Isreal, that's all ... particularly given the latter's supposed "religious" signifance which seems to me at absolute odds with the facts of its founding, not to mention the decidedly secular and political in origin "Star of David" on its flag.

112 posted on 10/23/2001 11:51:06 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: cactusSharp
I believe veronica gets mad at anything critical of the Jewish people, right or wrong.
113 posted on 10/23/2001 11:51:38 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: Askel5
You never fail to impress me with your well crafted posts. Marry me.
114 posted on 10/23/2001 11:55:09 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain; LOL
I think that last could have used a couple more periods, actually, but thank you for the kind words.
115 posted on 10/23/2001 11:59:54 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: veronica
We don’t need racists here.

LOL. So....this is your swan song?

LOL! No, I’m not a racist. How about yourself?

Just because I don’t think “Mexico First”, and I don’t care for Mexicans in this country who place Mexico first on their political agenda, that doesn’t mean I dislike Mexicans or Hispanics. In fact, I’ve traveled to Mexico many times on vacations and mission trips.

What you guys try to do is make people who disagree with you in any way seem like “racists”. This is an old propaganda trick that was perfected by the Marxist-Leninist Communists in the early 20th Century.

People like Jesse Jackson use this technique too. He calls anyone who disagrees with him in any way a “racist”, even if the disagreement doesn’t have anything at all to do with race.

117 posted on 10/23/2001 12:26:36 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: lavaroise
That is why Lincoln refused to go to war for the slaves, but however saw that the South was developing tendencies against the Northerners as they were siding with England and the slave trade powers.

This is nonsense. After the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 the war was very much about slavery. The second part of your sentence makes no sense however I read it. England was a leading voice against slavery and the slave trade by 1860 and never recognized the Confederacy. I expect the "irregulars" (such as Quantrill) would be classed as terr*rists today (although they would no doubt consider themselves freedom foghters) but they were active thoughout the war, and indeed before and after the war.

118 posted on 10/23/2001 12:33:09 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: Sabramerican
By the way-after all the BS flights of fancy- how many votes came to the US from Israel. Was your hand sufficient or did you also need to take off your shoes to count then all?

People should not be residing in another country and influencing our elections (unless on some kind of foreign service).

It is sickening to hear people being labeled anti-semitic or a proponent of Nazi-ism for espousing anything less than 100% support for Israel. It is a manipulative, shameful way to deal with people who ask questions that need to be asked.

Why can't we examine Israel's actions toward the Palestinians? Why can't America demand that her citizens not have dividing loyalties? Why is questioning what Israel does labeled "un-American"?

119 posted on 10/23/2001 12:37:54 PM PDT by JenOPCer
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To: JenOPCer
Some posters on FR will support Israel no matter what. It's a shame that their emotions cloud their judgement.
120 posted on 10/23/2001 12:43:53 PM PDT by bribriagain
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