Russian People Hear More About John Paul II's Connection to Fatima.

Inside The Vatican ^ | 10/24/01 | Alessandro Schirru

[Stingray51]

Do not the secrets of Fatima contain a prophecy of the conversion of Russia? Obviously, this is has not occured yet (as one look at Russian society reveals). It is hard to see how it will occur during the pontificate of this pope since he has de-emphaized efforts at conversion to the Catholic Church in favor of ecumenism, such as the "two lungs" rhetoric, which obviously connotes the non-urgency, if not the non-necessity, of conversion.

[lavaroise]

Every leader weighs his power by his ability to prophecize correctly. The world is virtualy being haunted by demons. The sole and true prophecy is the one of God Who warned us about His abandoning us for sake of testing and education. Indeed, let us have a taste of Jiang's 1000 year worldwide communist reign, then maybe we will finaly come to understand Who God really is, and how indispensable He is to overthrow such powerful global god like reign against which we can less and less do because of lack of courrage.

[Stavka2]

I just love when the Pope declares us the "other" lung of the Church...it was the Catholics who schismed, period. If they want reunification, then the Popes have to swallow their pride and acknowledge their equality to each and every patriarch and not as over lords of the church....then there are those other little things like the made up concept of purgetory and such falicies.

[Stavka2]

Thanks for your concern for our conversion, I think we settled those issues in a series of wars stretching from the Catholic betrayal of Kieven Russ when it faced the Mongol hordes. Read this and memorize it: WE ARE NOT AND DO NOT WANT TO BE CATHOLIC

EVER!!!!!

. If you can't accept that, don't cross the border, capish?

[amordei]

Are you scared? Scared that the Orthodox Church is losing its vitality? If not, then join with us Catholics in a common endeavor--to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Explorer89]

John Paul II, somewhat mysteriously, spoke of the message of Fatima, stressing that three young girls could not have understood or interpreted what they had heard.

Especially since one of them was a BOY. (Francisco)

Ex89 (who once spent 5 days in Fatima with her now-deceased Grammy)

[The_Reader_David]

I hardly think that Holy Orthodoxy is loosing vitality. It has revived instantateously with the coming of freedom to its traditional heartland, is now the fastest growing Christian confession in Africa, and in 1995 was the fastest growing religious confession in percentage terms in the U.S. (almost all by conversion) and is now running neck and neck with Islam for that distinction. Orthodox monastic professions are running at their highest level world-wide at least since the days of the Tsars, if not ever, and we have no clergy shortages.

[amordei]

I can't figure out your statistics since they seem to be enveloped in quite a few qualifiers.

Explain to me why the Russians are so against JPII traveling to Moscow. It appears to me that they are afraid of something.

[The_Reader_David]

Perhaps he de-emphasize conversion because he knows that now and until the Second Coming, unless the Popes of Rome repent of their pride in declaring themselves to be the "Vicars of Christ" (as if He who promised, "Lo I am with you to the end of the age" is absent so as to need a vicar) and humbly submit to the canons and teachings of the Ecumenical Councils of the Holy Orthodox Church as they did before the 11th century, papal overtures to the Orthodox will always be met with the words St. Aleksander Nevsky used in replying to the Crusdaders who sought to reduce Holy Russia to papal rule:

"The traditions of the Holy Fathers of the Seven Councils we scrupulously keep. As for your words we hear them not. We do not want your doctrine."

These words were spoken by the saint in reply to the embassies of the Teutonic Knights before he defeated them, by the grace of God, in the Battle on the Ice.

[The_Reader_David]

The usual Orthodox method for dealing with heretics is to exile them. Why invite one to visit?

[amordei]

And there you go. Why that sort of reaction? I sense fear.

[Stavka2]

Scared? Excuse me but as of last check, we are the fastest growing Christian church in America and we do not have to advertise on billboards for priests...as a matter of fact our Docternal purity and the fact that parish priests are married is bringing quite a few Catholic priests over. And since Eastern Europe (with the discarding of Communism) has once more overwhelmingly become Orthodox and our major missions in Kenya, India and most of SE Asia...hardly. Are the Catholics paranoid of loosing people so that they have to come to Orthodox countries to poach?

[Stavka2]

Less afraid as to more insulted. After the not so nice history and countless betrayals of the last thousand years...please, you should be able to understand this. That and the Pope's kissing of the Koran and acknowledging of Islam and pandering to the NWO crowd in the past decade sure as hell doesn't endear him to us.

[Stavka2]

As opposed to the more human method of the Catholic church...conversion and beheading or stay a heretic and burn.

[marshmallow]

Your outbursts reflect badly on yourself and the faith you espouse.

Whenever there is a piece which extols JP II's role in undermining atheistic communism, the greatest naysayers are invariably those who claim to be Orthodox, rather than others who might be expected to have a greater animus, such as Jews, atheists, Protestants or pagans.

Maybe this is because Orthodoxy's own contribution to the opposition of communism, was at best, unremarkable.

[Stavka2]

Yes, thousands of dead priests is sooo unremarkable. You are so right. I am so sorry, we should be kissing your arse, especially when our other great liberators had so much Vatican support, you know those nifty northern guys from Germany: the Nazies.

I have nothing directly against Catholicism, except on the theological level...but when you act hunky doory like nothing is wrong, you insult our intelligence by making the last millinium of transgressions seem indifferent...well they are not. As things stand now, you'll have a better chance of reunifying with the 40 thousand + branches of protestantism then with Orthodoxy.

If you want our forgiveness for your transgressions, as Christians we'll give it to you but if you want us to simply forget them or ignore them while singing your praises then, brother, I can only say: get off the crack...it's killing your brain cells.

When ever Catholics start talking to us Orthodox it almost always comes down to trying to talk to us like some errant children who've wondered away from their parents...the prodical sons...well sorry, we're not. So next time you can't figure out where the hostility is coming from, try for once to see things form our point of view...and we are not your prodical children...you were the ones who Schismed and invented dogma on the fly.

[Stavka2]

BUMP

[SoothingDave]

These words were spoken by the saint in reply to the embassies of the Teutonic Knights before he defeated them, by the grace of God, in the Battle on the Ice.

You mean when Bart Star beat the Cowboys in the closing seconds? ;-)

SD

[Stavka2]

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