Clinton-Gore sales team eased Enron's path to success

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Sunday Dec. 9, 2001 | Dateline D.C.

[ElkGroveDan]

WASHINGTON - "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall."

This week, this old nursery rhyme has taken control of this column. From Washington to Pittsburgh by way of New York City and Los Angeles with important detours to China, Japan, India, Mozambique, Croatia, England, Germany and elsewhere in the world, we have been watching and reading about the great fall of Enron.

[ElkGroveDan]

Hadn't heard this side of the story...

[chainsaw]

So much for big and bigger government, and big and bigger business. It won't work. Never has and never will.

[staytrue]

I can't believe a Pittsburgh paper would publish this piece. This probably deserves to be breaking news.

[MizSterious]

Excellent article, EGD. Thanks for posting it!

[stylin_geek]

Nothing wrong with big and bigger business. From what I can see in this article, it is when government and business start walking hand in hand, this is when problems start. Enron would not have gotten to where it is without using the government to further its interests.

Government regulation creates the conditions by which businesses need lobbyists in Washington to look out for their interests. This then creates an atmosphere for big business to use government to further its interests. For example, anyone care to discuss how the Microsoft lawsuits started?

[mercy]

Though some voices have squeaked out little calls for investigating how the present admin is tied to Enron .... nothing will come of it because soon the powers that be on the rat side of the bench will quiet them. Can't be telling tales out of school .... now can we?

[Roger_W_Isom]

I KNEW that the Clintons and Gore had to be involved in the ENRON fiasco!!!! How long before the Shareholders don't file suit against Bill and Hillary HERSELF???? I mean this is going to be a lawuers FIELD DAY folks!!! I mean EVERYBODY that even TOUCHED this "Company" is going to get SUED!!!. From the Execs, to the brokerage Companies to the Auditors.... YOU NAME IT THEY'LL GET SUED FOLKS!!!

[Roger_W_Isom]

P.S. Sorry but I forgot to mention the LAWYERS WHO DREW UP THE COMPANY'S FOUNDING as WELL!!! This ought to be fun!!! Lawyers suing LAWYERS!!! Talk about POETIC JUSTICE!!!! ROFLMAO

[Tacis]

Too late! Our beloved media has already linked Enron with Bush and Cheney. There is also some congressional commie/black racist thug demanding that Cheney divulge his discussions with Enron reps during the energy policy formulations.

While I agree such discussion/deliberations should be public, Hillie, Willie, and his group of sewer dwellers kept the health care deliberations silent. But, it is too late, the media would NEVER suggest that Willie and Enron were connected. They, as always, want to go after the Republican, not the corrupt commie socialist.

[meenie]

Corporations when first established were useful for consolidating capital to enable companies to realize the advantages of volume production and allow participation of ordinary citizens to participate with small amounts of money.

Corporations, with government participation, have become the American equivalent of Soviet collective farms and industries. They have become bureaucracies with no accountability to their workers, stealing their pension funds, and absconding with funds for the elite executives.

Enron is a perfect example of the modern corporation, furnishing campaign funds for the use of complicit politicians to advance the fascist scheme for transnational corporations and world government. The biggest problem they face is the deteriation of production and the loss of purchasing power for their workers who cease to buy their products.

The law of diminshing returns is starting to show up in the corporate profit pictures. This is causing the current recession and promises to get worse. The private sector of individual entreprenuers is the only hope for the rejuvenation of our economy as the corporations continue to go down.

[deport]

May be of interest to you........

[horsewhispersc]

For the thousands that have been hurt by this SCAM it desn't matter what party their from, there better be "JUSTICE" you know that "word" our Prez uses so often!

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Dog Gone]

While this doesn't surprise me, it puts the emphasis on the wrong thing, just as the charges about Enron's ties to Bush do.

Enron was ruthless and they attempted to use everyone they could to further their business goals. I have stated here for more than a year now (long before Enron appeared to be in trouble) that Enron CEO, Ken Lay, was a Republican in name only. Lay was out for Lay and for Enron, period.

Ken Lay was a big backer of Lee Brown for Houston Mayor this year. He publicly endorsed one the dumbest persons on the planet for Mayor, a liberal Democrat against a true conservative.

Why? Because Ken Lay and other "civic leaders" of Houston use this Mayor like a puppet to line their own pockets.

Lay and Enron were happy to use the Clinton Administration in the same way, and I'm sure they hoped they could do something similar with the Bush Administration. So, sure, Enron donated to Bush, but it wasn't because they supported the Administration. They wanted to buy it.

Bush hasn't done anything for Enron, unlike the Clinton Administration. Or, at least we haven't heard of anything. I'm sure folks are looking for something.

But Enron did this to itself, and it would have done it even without any help from politicians. It was aggressive and arrogant about its own ability to manage risk. They, as a corporation, truly thought they were smarter than the rest of us.

But like Icarus, it flew too close to the Sun, and its wings of wax melted.

Blaming politicians for what happened is pure political spin by anybody who engages in it. Enron alone is responsible.

[XBob]

Is there any corruption in which the Clinton Crook Core was not involved? Seriously, this is not a pan, just an amazed question, at how deep and thoroughly corrupt, and vast their involvment in just about all the corruptions going on. It seems like they had a great corruption detector meter buried in the administration, to detect and get rid of corruption, but to detect and get involved in or actually create corruption. An amazing masterpiece machine of corruption on a scale the world has never known.

[XBob]

Well, dog, perhaps my last post was wrong, in that perhaps the corrupt from the world over seek fertile soil, and in the Clinton Corruption Core, they found a boundlessly, endlessly, corruptly fertile soil, and were magnetically drawn to it.

[Dog Gone]

I agree with that 100%.

[deport]

Their growth was phenominal in the power brokerage area. I can't remember the exact analogy but Enron was buying/selling more power than several of the major power companies combined. And they didn't own a generator, but they had vast numbers of traders swapping the commodity by the hour.....

Is Ken Lay a part of the Lay family that owns Frito-Lay?

[COL. FLAGG]

Well said.

About every 6 months I find myself thinking X42 and his wife are even more corrupt than I thought they were and I thought they were criminals years ago. It has reached the point that I can now say that I would not be shocked by ANYTHING that is reveled about these two.

Conduct that you simply could not imagine any previous POTUS engaging in enters the realm of the possible when it comes to X42.

[lewislynn]

. I can't remember the exact analogy but Enron was buying/selling more power than several of the major power companies combined. And they didn't own a generator,

There in a nut shell is the problem with manufacturing off shore and a country that thinks it can survive by not producing tangible products within its borders but thinks it can with "service industries"...

Enron was nothing more than a middle man. And, as an example the California electricity "deregulation" scam, known as the worst policy mistake in California history, (authored by and passed by Republicans,BTW) was nothing more than the introduction of the middle man in the system....Of course, Enron was behind that type of "deregulation" (there is no other type).

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[deport]

Yep we have middle men in most of our commercial enterprises.... The commodities exchanges are nothing but middle men trading something for use at some future date... corn, pork bellies, oil, etc. and not a one owns a farm or oil well.... The system will work when set up properly but Enron screwed the pooch so to speak in this developing commodity business. However their major errors may have been outside the commodity trading business from what little I've read of what is emerging.

[Dog Gone]

Is Ken Lay a part of the Lay family that owns Frito-Lay?

I don't think so. As much as I've heard about the man, I've never heard that.

[Dog Gone]

And, as an example the California electricity "deregulation" scam, known as the worst policy mistake in California history, (authored by and passed by Republicans,BTW) was nothing more than the introduction of the middle man in the system

No it wasn't. It introduced new power generators into the state. Those weren't middlemen in any sense of the word. Why would you say such a patently false thing?

You and I have gone around on this many times, and you continue to have a warped view of what really happened both from a political standpoint and from the facts on the ground.

[Simcha7]

Shalom!

Roger and Everyone Else On This Thread:

You would NOT be Rolling on the Floor Laughing if YOUR

Husband or Wife LOST EVERYTHING and Their JOBS, MEDICAL INSURANCE and other Benefits!

My husband was an ENRON employee, the Plant that he Worked Very Hard in was LOCKED DOWN AND SHUT On Friday 12/07/01.

We will have NO Medical Insurance as of 12/31/01, and NO 30 Day Grace Period, and NO Severance PAY.

We are Hoping and Praying that we will get his Last Pay Check that He Worked for, there is a Strong Possibility that we will NOT.

There are ENRON Employees, Spouses and CHILDREN who are CANCER Patients currently on CHEMO THERAPY.

If anyone has ever had to have CHEMO, then YOU know only too well how EXPENSIVE these LIFE SAVING TREATMENTS ARE!

GOD only knows What Will Happen to them.

SO...NO, I do NOT think that there is anything to ROTFLYBO!

It has been stated on FR many, many times...WE will NEVER Know How Much Damage that the Billzebub/Hillzebub and Co have done to every facet of our Country and Financial Interests: Government and Private!

If it starts to STINK and SINK...those are the TWO to Look at!

By The Way...I'm certain that WE ALL Agree that Mr. & Mrs. Clintoon have found their LONG SOUGHT AFTER "LEGACY"...

LOCATION: GROUND ZERO - WORLD TRADE CENTER PLAZA, NY, NY.

May God Bless America Land Of The Free & Home Of The Brave!

[Roger_W_Isom]

At this point I can believe almost ANYTHING about this CREEP..... Indeed I almost have to wonder if they didn't set up ENRON so they could blame GW Bush in the event of his winning..... Hillary would DEFINITELY do something like this folks if, just IF she thought this would give her the presidency!!!!

[Roger_W_Isom]

I knew a lot of people was going to get hurt but remember this... It was Bill and Hillary that started this Fiasco and I would urge EVERY ENRON EMPLOYEE to SUE THESE BUMS INTO BANCRUPTCY!!!!! Their so=called "GREAT ECONOMY" was basically RESPONSIBLE for this disaster.... Ask "WHO WROTE THE LAWS" that allowed this to happened and NONE OTHER then the NAMES Bill and Hillary BECOMES the answer!!!!!

[VRWC For Truth]

The first: Beware of the Spock babies re: Baby Boomers now that they are nearing retirement and losing whatever sense they had.

I hope they like their Charity Old Age homes. They finally will realize all their Socialist Commune dreams in a 21st century flop house. The rest of us WILL be enjoying the fruits of our capitalism. You can't get water out of a rock.

[Lady In Blue]

Thanks for the post.You beat me to it.I was just about to post it.I hadn't heard about this part of the story either!

[Lady In Blue]

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[Lady In Blue]

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[Lady In Blue]

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[blackie]

Thanks Lady, I wonder if we'll ever discover all of the corruption boy clinton and algore perpetrated ??

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Molon Labe !!

[Lady In Blue]

I don't think that we'll ever know how much corruption there was in the Clinton administration.I'm still waiting for justice for what I consider to be the greatest scandal of all the Clinton's(known)scandals and that is the BLOODGATE scandal.

[Lady In Blue]

I've been meaning to ask you,what does Molon Labe mean? Thanks.

[blackie]

Molon Labe!

[wildandcrazyrussian]

It is unethical for you to deliberately distort the specific language used by the original author just to make your own political point. When he used "Spock baby", he very definitley meant to indicate those who were raied in a permissive environment ans were raised to be spoiled rotten. Your crude attempt to slander everybody born between 1946 and 1964 by replacing it with "baby boomer" is exactly the OPPOSITE of the point the author was making. I was never raised to believe that life was easy or that I was entitled to everything just by wanting it. So please refrain from such unethical acts in the future.

[cricket]

"Hadn't heard this side of the story..."

Yes, an interesting if not typically tangled tale; which always seems the case if a Clinton name is anywhere near a business deal.

Lib media has already tried to highlight GW's and Dick Cheney names with this. Knowledge is best defense and of course, the truth; which Lib media always has a problem with.

p.s. for Pittsburgh Tribune. . .it is 'Arthur Andersen'. . .

[ST.LOUIE1]

'Dumpty'. Good name for bubba.

Hi, *BLUE*. How have you been?

Long time no see. : )

[VRWC For Truth]

The Spock boomers outnumber you 3 to 1. You think they give a rats butt that they care you're of their generation. You are either with us (capitalists) or against us. The time for BS is OVER.

[Lady In Blue]

Thanks! I'll have to remember that one!

[Lady In Blue]

Hi St.Lou! Good to see you back.I'm ok.I'm about ready to get a used car this week(Camry).My Sable has over 418,000 miles on it(original engine)so it's about time!I'm thinking about getting through "Enterprise Car Rentals." They have some really good deals!

[wildandcrazyrussian]

So just leave the original terminology which we can ALL agree with instead of replacing it with something which has nothing at all to do with attitudes toward life. I thought his reference to "Spock babies" was so good that I'll incorporate it in future work. Besides, you are quite mistaken in thinkins that 3/4 of the "baby boomers" are dissolute and irresponsible. I can assure that when I was in college from 1967 to 1971, I never met a single person who used marijuana or drank or behaved badly in any manner. Everybody that I knew was quite responsible and focused. So your attempts at slander of an entire generation are quite frankly wierd.

[Hildy]

WOW...just by the TV press I would have thought it was all the Republican's and Bush's mess.

[nightdriver]

The ABCNBCSeeB.S. news tonight was trying to link the Enron collapse to the Bush administration. Sounds like X42's administration was the real co-conspiritor of Enron.

[XBob]

My brother did an analysis of the Enron stock trading, results - the big guys started bailing out in January, so the xlinton involvement in the crash very well could be.

[dfwgator]

Government + Business = Fascism

[ST.LOUIE1]

Hi St.Lou! Good to see you back.I'm ok.I'm about ready to get a used car this week(Camry).

Good for you!

My Sable has over 418,000 miles on it(original engine)so it's about time!

Wow! You must have treated it like a baby.

Good luck. Sounds as though you're quite a traveler.....

....or the car you have is really, really old. LOL!

[thinden]

does ken lay = frito lay family? frito is a texas company, correct?

[thinden]

sorry guys, missed deports previous question re: ken lay's family biz.