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GAY PRO-LIFE LEADERS ARRESTED AT NATIONAL PRO-LIFE MARCH
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| Jan 22, 2002
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Posted on 01/23/2002 6:22:00 AM PST by helmsman
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To: ravingnutter
My take on this is that they want more children to be available for adoptions so the bar will be lowered for them.
Of course. It's unthinkable that they might have an agenda that does not involve self-gain (rolls eyes).
To: ArGee
Most people who believe in atheistic morality simply have no idea how much their culture has influenced their thought patterns.
"Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism. As such, it's not a defined construct so much as a definition of what it isn't. In other words, there isn't any single "atheistic morality" -- any morality uninfluenced by theism is "atheistic" in nature and there are any number of ways it could be expressed.
To: Dimensio
It's unthinkable that they might have an agenda that does not involve self-gain Not unthinkable, but perhaps unusual.
Shalom.
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01/23/2002 9:19:44 AM PST
by
ArGee
To: Dimensio
"Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism. I "hear" you, but I can't figure out whether you're disagreeing with me, agreeing with me, or simply typing.
What point were you trying to make?
Shalom.
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01/23/2002 9:21:31 AM PST
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ArGee
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To: ArGee
""Atheistic morality" simply implies a morality uninfluenced by any form of theism."
I "hear" you, but I can't figure out whether you're disagreeing with me, agreeing with me, or simply typing.
What point were you trying to make?
I get annoyed when people refer to "atheistic morality" as some terrible force of the 20th century, because you're placing blame on a property. It is possible to be an atheist, adhere to an "atheistic morality" and still be prolife.
I'm also pedantic to a fault.
To: Dimensio
Er, that is "abscence of property", not "property". Sorry.
To: madprof98
Agree, agree, agree.
Nellie Gray does the pro-life effort a huge disservice, year after year, by excluding the very good people of PLAGAL. She is a disgrace to the cause and should step down immediately.
Wide ranging and unexpected voices such as those of PLAGAL, Pro-life atheists, Vegetarians for Life Feminists for Life strengthen and enrich the anti-abortion message in ways that all the Bible quoting in the world cannot.
Ms. Gray has been holding the annual March for Life hostage for too long.
To: Dimensio
It is possible to be an atheist, adhere to an "atheistic morality" and still be prolife. Of course it is, but it is impossible to know how much of your "atheistic morality" is caused by being raised in the United States, with a very theistic morality as its social undergirding.
Is it possible that if all the prolife atheists had been born in China that they would be fully in favor of the forced abortions the Chinese demand?
BTW: I notice that whenever someone wants to share their problems with homosexual attraction you are right there to take the opposing viewpoint. Just for my own edification, which of the following do you have trouble with?
- That we believe homosexual behavior to be perversion?
- That we attempt to persuade others to share our belief?
- That we think their perversion can be a problem for our social fabric?
Shalom.
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01/23/2002 9:38:40 AM PST
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ArGee
To: Canavan; onyx; JMJ333; ArGee; Khepera; Notwithstanding; wwjdn; proud2bRC
"There were hundreds of other banners there, proclaiming "Hibernians for Pro-Life", "Kansans for Pro-Life", "Pro-life Moms." etc etc Do you really mean to imply that identifying themselves as Hibernians, Kansans and Moms is comparable to a group idenfiying itself based on sexual persuasion/behavior that is not only morally corrupt, but also remains illegal in many states in our nation?
Do you think the Hibernians, Kansans or Moms would have refused to participate in the Pro-Life march if they were asked to leave their signs on the bus? The answer is an obvious no! Why then did the members of Plagal refuse? Again, the answer is obvious. They were more interested in being identified by their homosexuality than by their "pro-life" convictions.
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01/23/2002 9:39:27 AM PST
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EODGUY
To: helmsman
They seem pretty sincere with the pro-life cause. People will have to judge for themselves if they have a hidden agenda. Some people have brought up that these people want more babies available for adoption. Maybe that's a valid argument, maybe not. Maybe abortion is just as squeamish to anti-abortion homosexuals as it is to anti-abortion heterosexuals.
So far I have no problem with them marching. Nellie Gray can prevent them from speaking as a guest if she wants, but let them witness to other homosexuals about the evils of abortion if they want. It's about the cause, the preborn victims, not the people running the show.
To: AmericanInTokyo
"IMHO, it seems to be a subtle, clever ploy to promote the gay agenda within prolife circles (infiltration, co-option, slick PR) "The PLAGAL members whom I've met and worked with simply aren't that way. Your supposition is wrong. But even if they were recruiting, they still belong and in fact strengthen the pro-life argument. Their voice is as legitimate as your own.
To: ArGee
BTW: I notice that whenever someone wants to share their problems with homosexual attraction you are right there to take the opposing viewpoint. Just for my own edification, which of the following do you have trouble with?
That we believe homosexual behavior to be perversion?
That we attempt to persuade others to share our belief?
That we think their perversion can be a problem for our social fabric?
I don't have trouble with you believing 1 or 3 -- that's your decision. I don't agree with 1 or 3 however. In either case, I don't have a problem with 2 -- you are free to share you beliefs with others if you choose.
To: pubmom
I agree, something is wrong. I don't know, but I wouldn't want "Adulterers for Life" marching in the "March for Life" either.
To: madprof98
"PLAGAL and similar groups (like Feminists for Life) have been trying for years to get media coverage of their opposition to abortion. "Ten years ago or so, Nellie Gray tried unsuccessfully to exclude the Feminists for Life Executive Director from speaking with all the other recognized groups at the March. I guess she doesn't like feminists either.
To: Aquinasfan
Or how about "Pedophiles for life?"
Ugh.
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01/23/2002 9:49:52 AM PST
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pubmom
To: EODGUY
I liked your statement and borrowed from it
What correlation is there between "deeply held pro-life convictions" and the inability to follow the orders of a policeman who is performing his duty and is considered to have authority over you.
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01/23/2002 9:51:38 AM PST
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Khepera
To: helmsman
Thank you Nellie Gray. This supposed homosexual organization is just a front, a guise to create publicity and turmoil within the pro life movement, because it knows that most pro lifers are anti homosexuals.
To: helmsman
By the way, has the media reported on the March For Life? I haven't seen anything anywhere.
Anybody who wants to know why the pro-life movement is held in such deep suspicion by most mainstream Americans--including many who oppose abortion--should read this thread. It's all here: the parochialism, the paranoia, and the hatred of those who are different. Nellie Gray has plenty of company, but not enough to sway even the Republican Party, let alone the Congress, to her side.
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