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The Missing Gun
New York Post ^ | 25 January 2002 | John Lott

Posted on 01/25/2002 9:07:46 PM PST by mrustow

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:03:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

By JOHN R. LOTT, JR.

January 25, 2002 -- ANOTHER school shooting occurred last week and the headlines were everywhere the same, from Australia to Nigeria. This time the shooting occurred at a university, the Appalachian Law School. As usual, there were calls for more gun control.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccrm; libertarians
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To: Oxonian, D-fendr, bootless, Ming_the_Merciless, Enough is ENOUGH, snopercod, antidisestablishment
Second Amendment BUMP!
21 posted on 01/26/2002 11:08:21 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
Thanks for posting the truth about guns being by good people to stop more murders and injuries from a deranged pyscho.

This is just more living proof that Dr John Lott's thesis and book, "More guns, Less Crime!" is very valid in today's world.

This reminds me of the school shooting where the prinicipal got his 45 service revolver from his car to stop the shootings.

Notice how the coward dropped his gun when he thought that he might get shot. He is your typical bully in action!

22 posted on 01/26/2002 11:08:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: mrustow
Thanks for the ping!!!
23 posted on 01/26/2002 11:10:21 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: Registered, bush ranch; I am not my own, drZ, gieriscm, The_Expatriate, Hopalong, monocle...
Second Amendment BUMP!
24 posted on 01/26/2002 11:10:30 AM PST by mrustow
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To: My Favorite Headache
Recoil BUMP
25 posted on 01/26/2002 11:11:27 AM PST by mrustow
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To: ASTM366
No, I think you are correct -- but it took me a long time to see your point. It may take many others until the next life, to get it.
26 posted on 01/26/2002 11:12:37 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Grampa Dave
John Lott is a national treasure! Do you have a link on the story you mentioned? As for the shooter dropping his weapon, the moment he saw himself confronted with armed men, he sounds like a coward straight out of central casting!
27 posted on 01/26/2002 11:14:57 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mystomachisturning
My pleasure.
28 posted on 01/26/2002 11:15:28 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
BUMP!

Way to go, Tracy & Mikael! Chicks with guns are exceptionally cool.

Cheers, CC :)

29 posted on 01/26/2002 11:18:55 AM PST by CheneyChick
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To: *bang_list
Thanks for the ping!
30 posted on 01/26/2002 11:19:58 AM PST by TomServo
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To: mrustow
And while the media ignores this, last night on the local news out of Seattle was a story about the crazy old fart back east who drove off with a bunch of kids in a schoolbus. The big "news" was that he had a "huge arsenal" of guns in his home and "many of them were [GASP!]handguns!"

I normally never watch the news but last night I was watching the local news for the weather report because we are supposed to be getting a big storm here this weekend. I got so po'ed I shut the damn thing off and never did get the weather report.

31 posted on 01/26/2002 11:21:29 AM PST by eaglewatch
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To: mrustow
Bump
32 posted on 01/26/2002 11:28:29 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: CheneyChick
Was one of the defenders a female? I didn't know that.
33 posted on 01/26/2002 11:31:48 AM PST by mrustow
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To: eaglewatch
I saw that story, and had the same reaction. Here in New York, as far as the media are concerned, only psychopaths and neo-Nazis (but I'm being redundant!) have large gun collections.
34 posted on 01/26/2002 11:34:31 AM PST by mrustow
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To: Doctor Raoul
Second Amendment BUMP!
35 posted on 01/26/2002 11:36:30 AM PST by mrustow
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To: mrustow
A big 2A BUMP for this.

One thing that consistantly angers me over the media's reporting of firearms use, and especially when a felon or other nutball is stopped by firearm using citizens is the difference given between LEO's and citizens who are legally carrying.

While it is fine that these two were in law enforcement, all the proposed legislation (50 state reciprocity for carrying, carrying on aircraft, etc) are usually for law enforcement or ex law enforcement only. The law abididing citizen is left with his posterior hanging over the abyss, with no hope in sight of ever getting the 2A enforced as written. Considering the odds that an armed citizen would be much more likely to be on the scene of an incident which could be stopped by either simply the perp seeing a firearm drawn, up to the use of deadly force, it follows, if this were a logical world, that the armed citizen is more of a deterrent to crime than the LEO.

If one does not know who is carrying, the odds of successfully completing a crime decrease drastically. Robert Heinlein had it 100% right when he wrote "An armed society is a polite society".

I find it incredible that the armed citizen is treated (by press,politicians, and LEO's alike) as anywhere from a non entity to a criminal themselves. Whaat is even MORE incredible, is the father of it all, the original sin, of course being GCA'68, is not only blatantly racist, being concieved and written IMHO, due to the rioting in various cities, but also supported by government in response to the Kennedy (2), King, and the Evers shooting, but also in response to the as usual "Silent Majority" who were, at that point in time, scared s**tless by the events which were occurring.

The other interesting thing is that none of this news ever made it into military channels, whether by deliberate design or simply the beginning of the anti-2A bias which is now so obvious. As a member of the Armed Forces during this time period, one JUST DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing about the rioting, and only the usual pabulum when it came to notables being assassinated.

Considering (adjust your tinfoil hats here folks) the distinct possibility of either official or quasi-official governmental involvement in every single high profile shooting of the '60s, is it any wonder the media got off to a wonderful supercharged start down the "Gun Control Superhighway". I know that prior to the mid 1960's, there was virtually no press at all about firearms use, except to report facts. After the '60s we started down the path we stand on today.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND DEFEND THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC

Greg

36 posted on 01/26/2002 11:37:28 AM PST by gwmoore
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To: mrustow
Thanks for the ping to an awesome thread.
37 posted on 01/26/2002 11:38:55 AM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: mrustow
I was referring to this coward in this story:

"When the gunman saw them, Gross said, he put his weapon down and his hands up.

The third man, Ted Besen, who has worked as a police officer in Wilmington, was not armed and ordered the gunman onto the ground. Instead, the gunman lunged at Besen, punching him in the face."

Unless you are referring to the school shooting a few years ago. I don't have that reference. The principal or asst. principal was an officer in the reserve or national guard. That teenage murdering bully dropped his gun as soon as the armed principal ordered him to stop and drop the gun.

I'm sure that Bang List historians have the reference. I believe that two school shootings that year were terminated by people with guns ordering the bullies to stop shooting.

38 posted on 01/26/2002 11:45:57 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: mrustow
Lott's mistaken as to the Times. They did report that the students had guns. In fact, I was a bit suspicious because they emphasized that both were or had been police officers, as if to say no one who hadn't been a police officer should try this at home, etc.

That's a pretty embarrassing error to make and he especially should not make it. His arguments are too important to the cause.

39 posted on 01/26/2002 12:05:25 PM PST by Mason
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To: mrustow
You awful Right Wingers just haven't caught up to the 20th Century yet.

When you do, you'll understand why only government people should have guns.

>faux naivete off<

40 posted on 01/26/2002 12:08:37 PM PST by headsonpikes
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