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Concord Monitor mea culpa over the Marland cartoon (GW Bush flies into WTC/Social Security)
Concord Monitor ^ | 2/8/02 | Mike Pride, Concord editor

Posted on 02/08/2002 7:59:07 PM PST by calvin sun

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To: Irish Eyes
caetoon = cartoon
41 posted on 02/08/2002 9:31:02 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Sabertooth
bttt
42 posted on 02/08/2002 9:37:03 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: calvin sun
Oh brother. It was just a dumb liberal cartoon. People freak out and demand apologies waaaay too damned much nowadays.
43 posted on 02/08/2002 9:48:34 PM PST by Sandy
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To: VA Advogado
I think it was a fair mea culpa.

NOT! He only feels bad that it got out of their local.

44 posted on 02/08/2002 9:50:46 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: VA Advogado
What was fair? He was digging with his spew about the copyright! That editor Rat just got caught!
45 posted on 02/08/2002 10:00:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Irish Eyes
You can see the cartoon on the original thread.
46 posted on 02/08/2002 10:01:13 PM PST by SW6906
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To: Sandy
"Oh brother. It was just a dumb liberal cartoon. People freak out and demand apologies waaaay too damned much nowadays. "

Read replies 17 and 20 and then think again about your post. Tell me then if you still think people are overreaching with this one.....

47 posted on 02/08/2002 10:02:47 PM PST by SW6906
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To: Sandy
Go back and look at some of the pictures from Sept 11 of people jumping out of windows, of the woman holding her baby - her baby - out the window and then think about how it is barely five months since this happened and you (and this editor) want us to get over it?!!?

The more I think about it, the madder I get!

48 posted on 02/08/2002 10:05:17 PM PST by SW6906
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To: calvin sun
Rather, I read it as I thought Marland had intended it: as strong criticism of the threat that Bush's budget poses to Social Security.

Pride should resign for this idiocy alone.

49 posted on 02/08/2002 10:10:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sandy
And think about the fact that the evil ones are so utterly decadent that they actually used babies as weapons! Yes, there were children as young as 2 years old on those airplanes that crashed into those buildings!!! Babies for bullets is just more than I can take ..... there isn't anything funny about that in any way!

And then think about all the children and babies who now don't have a parent ..... think about Lisa Beamer's daughter, born last month, who will never know her father.

Think about the number of people who have lost a spouse, or a son or daughter.

Think about the ones injured in the crash who were lucky enough to survive but who will bear scars the rest of their lives.

I can't find any humor material in any of that!!!

Those liberal pieces of trash may be able to put such images out of their minds but I will NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!!!!!

50 posted on 02/08/2002 10:14:42 PM PST by kayak
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To: seamole
great letter.
51 posted on 02/08/2002 10:17:17 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: SW6906
I've read the replies. Yes, I do think people are over-reacting. To me it's just a dumb cartoon--standard liberal "Republicans are killing old people" stuff. It doesn't surprise me or shock me or upset me any more or less than most leftist drivel does.
52 posted on 02/08/2002 10:18:37 PM PST by Sandy
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To: calvin sun
My reaction to the reference to the "copyrighted cartoon" was that he was trying to cover himself,

Follow your instincts - - they are usually right. This guy Pride, by referring to "copyrighted cartoon" was making it clear that it was somebody else's cartoon. The comment reminded me of how Clinton, following the Waco tragedy, took full responsibility by saying he stood behind Janet Reno's decision to burn the place down. If it walks like a weasel, talks like a weasel....

53 posted on 02/08/2002 10:19:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: seamole
you write better than i do, that's for sure.
54 posted on 02/08/2002 10:37:46 PM PST by johnboy
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To: calvin sun
Here is the response to Mr. Pride's retraction:

Re: Why we shouldn't have run Mike Marland's cartoon

Mr. Pride,

I am somewhat gratified by your light retraction of Mike Marland's incredibly offensive editorial cartoon. However, your continued support of Mr. Marland and his mindset of using the incredible atrocity of September 11, 2001 to misrepresent President Bush's budgetary policy, in my opinion, nullifies any and all effort spent on your part. You might respect his talent as an artist but his judgement needs to be seriously questioned. He might even be a personal friend of yours, but the publication of the cartoon represents gross editorial malpractice on your part. It is as offensive as printing a caricature of Aunt Jemima eating fried chicken and watermelon with a welfare check stuffed in her back pocket to represent Black History Month.

You make several errors in your retraction.

Though Mr. Marland's cartoon might be copyrighted, it does not prevent fair use by private citizens in the course of public debate. As a seasoned editor, you should know better. That is basic Journalism Law 3001 at the Manship School of Journalism at Louisiana State University -- a fortunate experience of mine in college. I happened to be one of the individuals that reproduced the image under fair use on the World Wide Web for debate over its content and not commercial gain. Feel free to engage me in legal action over this. I would welcome the occasion to take this to court and further promote your editorial common sense to a national audience as the case would no doubt become. Reply to me and I will send over the relevant contact information so we can legally engage in your perceived copyright infringement. However, I feel you will want to sweep this major editorial error as quickly under the proverbial carpet as possible -- as I am sure your publisher and advertisers who financially supported this travesty would.

As an editor of a private publication, you have no ability to censor. Censorship can only occur by the actions of a governmental body. Your decisions as an editor are not a function of censorship but of the natural editorial process. Everyday of your career as an editor, you make decisions as to what should and should not appear within the pages of the Concord Monitor. That should be a function of your experience and common sense. If you wished to have excluded Mike Marland's repugnant editorial cartoon, he would still be free to publish it in other publications without fear of governmental intervention. You give yourself undue flattery over this statement and your ability to prevent Mr. Marland's constitutionally protected ability to express himself. We all have the right to speak but not to be heard.

You claim at some point in the future that the September 11th atrocity will be legitimate fuel for editorial cartoonists. Do you think the sunken grave of the U.S. Arizona is legitimate editorial fuel after 60 years? Would editorial common sense allow you to publish a Mike Marland editorial cartoon that desecrated the grave of the brave men that perished from the unprovoked assault of the Japanese on December 7, 1941? I doubt it nor do I think in the future the World Trade Center will be legitimate fodder for cantankerous editorial cartoonists. However, your editorial decision in publishing the Mike Marland cartoon has already crossed that line. A decision, I feel, you will carry as a heavy burden the rest of your career.

The correct response by you to this editorial error should have been a full apology without reservations or explanation. To further qualify your decision in the editorial process does nothing but excuse the action as if it was the mistake of spilling milk on a clean table. I would suggest that Concord Monitor take the advertising revenue from the Friday edition and pledge it to the thousands upon thousands of my grieving neighbors through one of the various charities seeking to meet their needs.

Sincerely yours,

Robert M. Toups, Jr.
(personal contact information deleted for WWW publication)

Looks like "Operation Freep Monitor" was a complete success. Thanks to all that pitched in! Free Speech is a mighty weapon. I can't believe the White House jumped into the fray! Do we rock or what?!?!?

55 posted on 02/08/2002 10:45:23 PM PST by toupsie
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To: seamole
Great letter -- spot on. When I read the line in 'apology' that said "That was my thought pattern with Marland's Bush cartoon.. I thought that rejecting the cartoon would be censorship" I had EXACTLY the same reaction -- that this guy is an absolute moron who doesn't understand either the First Amendment or his job description.
56 posted on 02/08/2002 11:32:15 PM PST by WL-law
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To: calvin sun
Great. Another moron who doesn't understand what the word "censorship" means. This dim bulb can't censor anyone; not unless he's a government employee and isn't telling us. Only the government can censor material. The rest of us merely edit material. Censorship is when the government says this will or that won't be printed. An editor doing his job, or a newspaper owner turning down material is not censoring anyone. They are making professional choices about what they will present. Once again, that isn't censorship since no government entity is involved. When a consumer decides not to purchase material, that isn't censorship either.

This loon has bought into the liberal schtick that claims that any attempt to stop a liberal's opinion from being transmitted is censorship; whether that be by an editor doing his job or a consumer who refuses to buy the lib's product. Mind you, it's only the liberal who has the right not only to free speech, but also to a guaranteed audience in this way of thinking. Similar action against conservative thought is not, in their minds, censorship; it's just editing in that case! This idiot's supposed hand-wringing about "censorship" is nothing more than a smokescreen. He let it in not out of fear of "censoring" anyone, but because he didn't want to do his job as an editor.

57 posted on 02/09/2002 12:20:56 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: calvin sun
He could have been making a pitch for the National Endowment for the Arts.
Sure, we knew that displaying a crucifix in a jar of piss was offensive and tasteless, but it's not our job to censor, but to provoke.

58 posted on 02/09/2002 3:05:51 AM PST by snopercod
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To: seamole
Great letter. Thanks for posting it.
59 posted on 02/09/2002 3:09:29 AM PST by snopercod
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To: calvin sun
Mike Pride says, "...and for the terrorists attacks to take their place in the long line of political satire." Pride doesn't realize that the terrorists' attacks will never be funny? Is Pride a fair representative of current print editors?
60 posted on 02/09/2002 3:14:30 AM PST by abclily
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