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A Little Secret About the Nazis (They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today)
russp ^ | 1/2002 | Richard Poe

Posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW

A Little Secret About the Nazis

They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist ``exploitation'' by capitalists -- particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it.

Richard Poe, editor of Frontpage Magazine, sets the record straight:

Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.

Hitler followed the same game plan. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was ``socialist'' and that its enemies were the ``bourgeoisie'' and the ``plutocrats'' (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business.

Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps.

The Nazis are widely known as nationalists, but that label is often used to obscure the fact that they were also socialists. Some question whether Hitler himself actually believed in socialism, but that is no more relevant than whether Stalin was a true believer. The fact is that neither could have come to power without at least posing as a socialist. And the constant emphasis on the fact that the Nazis were nationalists, with barely an acknowledgment that they were socialists, is as absurd as labeling the Soviets ``internationalists'' and ignoring the fact that they were socialists (they called themselves the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Yet many who regard ``national'' socialism as the scourge of humanity consider ``international'' socialism a benign or even superior form of government.

According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia. This specious logic has gone largely unchallenged because it serves as useful propaganda for the left, which needs ``right-wing'' atrocities to divert attention from the horrific communist atrocities of the past century. Hence, communist atrocities have received much less publicity than Nazi war crimes, even though they were greater in magnitude by any objective measure.

R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii documents in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror.

But the history of the past century has been grossly distorted by the predominantly left-wing media and academic elite. The Nazis have been universally condemned -- as they obviously should be -- but they have also been repositioned clear across the political spectrum and propped up as false representatives of the far right -- even though Hitler railed frantically against capitalism in his infamous demagogic speeches. At the same time, heinous crimes of larger magnitude by communist regimes have been ignored or downplayed, and the general public is largely unaware of them. Hence, communism is still widely regarded as a fundamentally good idea that has just not yet been properly ``implemented.'' Santayana said, ``Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'' God help us if we forget the horrors of communism and get the historical lessons of Nazism backwards.

The Nazis also had something else in common with the modern left: an obsessive preoccupation with race. Hitler and his Nazis considered races other than their own inferior, of course. Modern ``liberals,'' who vociferously oppose the elimination of racial quotas, seem to agree. They apparently believe that non-white minorities (excluding Asians, of course) are inferior and unable to compete in the free market without favoritism mandated by the government. Whereas Hitler was hostile to those racial minorities, however, modern white ``liberals'' condescend benevolently. Hitler's blatant and virulent form of racism was eradicated relatively quickly and very forcefully, but the more subtle and insidious racism of the modern left has yet to be universally recognized and condemned.

The media often focuses its microscope on modern neo-nazi lunatics, but the actual scope of the menace is relatively miniscule, with perhaps a few thousand neo-nazis at most in the United States (mostly ``twenty-something'' know-nothings). The number of communists and communist sympathizers in the United States dwarfs that figure, of course -- even among tenured professors! And while the threat of neo-nazi terrorism is indeed serious, the chance of neo-nazis gaining any kind of legitimate political power anywhere is virtually zero. That is why the ACLU can safely use them to advertise its supposed commitment to free speech. Neo-nazi rallies incite violence, but they do not persuade bystanders to join their cause! If they did, the ACLU would have nothing to do with them.

--1/02


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KEYWORDS: hitler; nazi; nazis; socialism; thirdway
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1 posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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Hammer And Sickle Is A Swastika In Drag Bump
2 posted on 02/18/2002 2:23:34 PM PST by jodorowsky
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To: jodorowsky
bump back
3 posted on 02/18/2002 2:25:16 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
bump for later reading.
4 posted on 02/18/2002 2:26:13 PM PST by dead
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To: ALL
TODAY IS MY LAST DAY as editor of FrontPageMagazine.com.

I resigned my position because I have been offered a book deal by a major publisher, with the working title, The New Underground: How Conservatives Conquered the Internet. The book will be based upon my columns, “Secret Masters of the Internet,” and “The New Underground,” and will chronicle the rise of conservative Web news as a major new force in media.

Richard Poe

http://www.frontpagemag.com/poesnotepad/index.htm

5 posted on 02/18/2002 2:27:09 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
"...in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror."

If WE don't stop the socialist left in America; then, like Germany, the United States will be 'drawn and quartered' by the 'outsiders' who despise our oppression being touted as 'foreign aid'.

6 posted on 02/18/2002 2:31:11 PM PST by d14truth
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To: TLBSHOW
Is it any wonder why Bill and Hillary have maintained a facsination with Hitler?
Bill used to hand out copies of Mein Kampf to his subordinates as gifts.
7 posted on 02/18/2002 2:39:59 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: TLBSHOW
bttt
8 posted on 02/18/2002 2:41:55 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: TLBSHOW
TBLSHOW Thank you for posting this article!!!

This is an INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT piece of historical analysis, and sooner we can each start doing our small bit to begin to counter the Left's ongoing lies about this, the better.

The truth will come out and be known some day, the truth about the true origins of the Nazis and the fact that they were, like the Bolsheviks, the products of nineteenth century Neitzchean and post-Enlightment Nihilism.

The role of homosexuality in their birth is yet another grossly neglected truth -- especially now that homosexuals are boldly claiming their status as "normal" members of society.

I have vigorously countered the schools system's teaching about the true nature of Naziism with each of my three children, and as they have arrived at college, each one of them tells me that their professors have NO ANSWER WHATEVER to the fact that the so-called "right-wing" nature of this brand of Socialism was a myth propounded and propagated in the years just after the war by the American Left.

Thanks again!! p> NOW -- LET'S BUMP THIS UNTIL IT GRABS!!

9 posted on 02/18/2002 2:43:37 PM PST by maturin
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To: TLBSHOW
Good read BUMP
10 posted on 02/18/2002 2:43:38 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: TLBSHOW
Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.

Hmmm, sounds like the modus operandi of a certain Billbilly and Hitlery from Arkansas…

Good fortune too you, TLBSHOW with your new book!

11 posted on 02/18/2002 2:43:43 PM PST by rohry
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To: maturin
Nazis And Socialists Are As Different As Crips And Bloods Bump
12 posted on 02/18/2002 2:45:53 PM PST by jodorowsky
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To: Slyfox
Bill used to hand out copies of Mein Kampf to his subordinates as gifts.

even Jimmy Buffett (another left wing liberal) has been seen reading a copy of this book.

13 posted on 02/18/2002 2:48:10 PM PST by kstewskis
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To: TLBSHOW
This is no surprise.

At the extreme left and right, politics are the same: control, control, control. Only their methods vary.

14 posted on 02/18/2002 2:48:43 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: TLBSHOW
bump for a later read. This looks to good to pass up!
15 posted on 02/18/2002 2:50:00 PM PST by The Mayor
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To: TLBSHOW
When the Nazis and the Communists were fighting it out in the streets, before Hitler came to power, each found the other group to be its best source for recruits. They were just alike.
16 posted on 02/18/2002 2:52:39 PM PST by T'wit
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To: TLBSHOW
In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation

To be fair, Marx thought eliiminating ALL religions (including Judaism) would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation, Marx did not call for just the elimination of Judaism. And Hitler defined Jewishness as racial and not religious.

Of course, Hitler DID want to destroy Judaism and Christianity, and all other religions, except HIS religion, neo-pagan Hitler worship.

17 posted on 02/18/2002 2:54:38 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: TLBSHOW
Under Socialist Governments, a tyrant eventually appears who will convince the majority that the minority has to go. Because the minority won't be able to fight due to their non-chalant give away of their freedoms and in particular the right to defend themselves (Clinton is the best president ever), one day their usefulness will run out and they will have to be exterminated.

Socialism always decays into genocide because all it takes is one charasmatic leader to dump the whole thing on it's head. WWII was only sixty years ago.

By the People for the People, it's the only way to go.

"Liberals Lie About Everything All the Time - Eddie01

18 posted on 02/18/2002 2:54:45 PM PST by The Real Eddie01
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To: TLBSHOW
Here are some further points: Hitler, in "Table Talk," said that everything in his program came from Marx. Mussolini started his career with a book on Marx. Both men were smart enough to see that state ownership of the economy had been a disaster in the Soviet Union. So they modified socialism to continue private ownership, but they maintained complete control through regulation over those matters that affected their programs.

Hitler learned about the use of concentration camps from the Soviets during the period of friendship 1938 - 1940. Stalin in fact regarded Hitler as a close ally, until the Germans attacked the Soviets, whereupon he issued orders they should not be called Nazis (national socialists), but "Hitlerites." Soviet Communism was of course highly nationalistic during WWII.

The idea that Hitler and Mussolini were of the right grew out of the period of the Spanish Civil War, when the Soviets entered Spain on behalf of the Republicans, and proceeded to murder all their opponents on the left (anarchists, democratic socialists, etc.). Stalin then decided to identify all opposition on the left as elements of reactionary capitalism, or the right.

The right in Europe was always associated with the maintenance of the established social order, favored the primacy of "altar and throne," and rule of the best (aristocracy of some kind or another). This of course was the opposite of Hitler's and Mussolini's project of overturning society through proletarian mob action.

When confronted with these facts, those on the left usually try to say that collaboration of business with these regimes made them "right-wing." However, many businessmen will collaborate with government no matter what it is in order to survive or to succeed. Their objective is the bottom line, not politics. Involvement of business with a regime proves little or nothing about its characteristics as left or right.

19 posted on 02/18/2002 2:55:27 PM PST by thucydides
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To: TLBSHOW
A Little Secret About the Nazis

They had a child and her name is Hillary.

20 posted on 02/18/2002 2:55:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: TLBSHOW
Hey! Congrats on the book deal! Keep us posted on your progress.
21 posted on 02/18/2002 2:55:56 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: kstewskis
Yeah-but, did Jimmy Buffet score within the top six, along with Hitler,
in a poll of the most evil people who lived in the last 1,000 years?
22 posted on 02/18/2002 2:56:13 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: TLBSHOW
Hey, best of luck Todd, with your new endeavors ! ! ! !
23 posted on 02/18/2002 2:56:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: TLBSHOW
Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries.

and these social programs are being stopped by the republiscams, nope, they picked up where the demoncrats left off.

24 posted on 02/18/2002 2:56:48 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: rohry
Good fortune too you, TLBSHOW with your new book!

TLB is NOT Richard Poe. LOL...

25 posted on 02/18/2002 2:57:12 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: maturin
BTTT
26 posted on 02/18/2002 2:58:00 PM PST by My Identity
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To: TLBSHOW
... Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps ...
This is a risible misreading of Marx's essay. Marx was a Jew. He never advocated liquidating the Jews. And Marx never linked Jews to capital because it Marx's era they weren't linked; they were linked to usury, not capitalist commodity production. In Marx's era most of Europe's Jews were poor and confined to ghettos; they lived in the margins. The "Jewish question"--and many authors of the era addressed the so-called "Jewish question"--was how would the newly founded nation states of Europe integrate the Jews into political life? Assimilation would buy the Jews equality, but it might also mean extinction for the Jews as a unique people. Etc., etc.

I am no Marxist. And I have no intention of defending Marx. But we do ourselves no service as conservatives when we get our facts wrong or misrepresent our adversaries.
27 posted on 02/18/2002 2:58:08 PM PST by Asclepius
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Yeah-but, did Jimmy Buffet score within the top six, along with Hitler, in a poll of the most evil people who lived in the last 1,000 years?

Perhaps not (I never worked for him), but he has used Hitler's suggestions in his book as to how to get the crowd behind him and "energized".

28 posted on 02/18/2002 3:03:08 PM PST by kstewskis
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Here's the end of Marx's essay "On the Jewish Question"
In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion -- practical need, egoism.

Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society.

Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism -- huckstering and its preconditions -- the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, nd because the conflict between man's individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

(emphasis was in the original)
29 posted on 02/18/2002 3:04:53 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Asclepius
See my post #29.
30 posted on 02/18/2002 3:05:26 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: TLBSHOW; RJayneJ

The whole reason that "left wing" and "right wing" entered into our vocabulary was to differentiate between the various flavors of Socialism (e.g. Communists on one side and Fascists on the other).

After the Fascists were defeated in World War 2, however, the phrase Left Wing remained in our lexicon to describe the Communists. Popular useage of the phrase "right wing" then began to be used by those trying to identify people opposed to Communism (in particular, Joeseph McCarthy), and was intended as an insult. Americans, being a ballsy sort of people, shrugged off the insult and generally began to equate "right wing" with Conservative, being that most Americans then and now were and are Conservative (i.e., not in favor of the great New World Order socialist Revolution favored by both Communists and Fascists).

"They say you want a Revolution, well, you know, we all want to change the world" isn't just lyrics in a song, it's also how Conservatives mock the starry-eyed socialist radical elitists. They want a Revolution, at gunpoint, to force the world to redistribute wealth and labor. Conservatives don't.

So now we're "right wing" because we oppose such socialistic folly. So be it. Just don't let anyone confuse our opposition to Socialistic Revolution with being on the same side as National Socialists (i.e. NAZIs). That's just silly, and it's just wrong.

31 posted on 02/18/2002 3:07:19 PM PST by Southack
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While as a high school student at the Jesuit "Colegio de Belen" in Havana, Castro worshiped Hitler and the "Mein Kamp" had a strong influence in his political formation. From Mussolini, Castro, took the mannerisms and carefully studied all the movies about the Duce. Pius XI in his Encyclical letter "Divinis Redemptoris" rightly called socialism in all its forms as "intrinsically evil." You might call it Nazism, Fascism, Communism or Socialism; in essence they all degrade the human being to the condition of a mere slave of the state.
32 posted on 02/18/2002 3:07:58 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: Asclepius
I suspect Marx, were he alive today, would cringe at what has been done in his name. Seeing how the more negative aspects of unrestrained capitalism have been checked, and that the middle class is basically productive and happy, I doubt that he would even be a Marxist.
33 posted on 02/18/2002 3:08:14 PM PST by ValenB4
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To: xm177e2
... The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism ...
Precisely. Marx was arguing for assimilation, the assimilation of the Jews into civil society. The price of admission, however, was to be their Jewishness. But Marx demanded the same price of everyone. We were all to be relieved of our illusions, those illusions we call religion.

To in any way equate or relate this to the NAZI program is simply ridiculous.
34 posted on 02/18/2002 3:11:41 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: TLBSHOW
bump
35 posted on 02/18/2002 3:12:16 PM PST by Ditto
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To: xm177e2
Ooops, rookie mistake. At least I got someone to laugh!
36 posted on 02/18/2002 3:13:01 PM PST by rohry
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To: Asclepius
To in any way equate or relate this to the NAZI program is simply ridiculous.

But Marx refers very specifically to "the emancipation of society from Judaism."

To Marx, Jews are not just misguided victims like the Christians, but Judaism is an EVIL, CAPITALIST religion which must be wiped out.

37 posted on 02/18/2002 3:14:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: TLBSHOW
Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an
invention of hardline Communist Benito
Mussolini.

So, if Nazism is leftist, and Facism is
a communist invention, what form of
government lies to the extreme right?

38 posted on 02/18/2002 3:15:17 PM PST by gcruse
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To: ValenB4
... I doubt that he would even be a Marxist ...
I think you're absolutely correct. I think Marx had enough integrity as a philosopher and as a revolutionary to review and even revise his findings in light of new facts. He did it all the time throughout his career.

If only those who claim his name in our own dark era had as much integrity. Or would treat Marx's writings not as dogma, but as hypotheses.
39 posted on 02/18/2002 3:16:11 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: xm177e2
To Marx, Jews are not just misguided victims like the Christians, but Judaism is an EVIL, CAPITALIST religion which must be wiped out.
Give me a quote, please.
40 posted on 02/18/2002 3:17:34 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: kstewskis
I didn't know that about Jimmy Buffet. Makes you kinda wonder what all Bill and Hillary learned from Hitler.
41 posted on 02/18/2002 3:19:52 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: TLBSHOW

...I have been offered a book deal by a major publisher, with the working title, The New Underground: How Conservatives Conquered the Internet.

My fondest regards and best wishes for your future success.

Please keep us posted!!!

42 posted on 02/18/2002 3:19:58 PM PST by Fintan
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To: Dqban22
When Clinton holds his jaw tight, he looks just like Mussolini.
43 posted on 02/18/2002 3:22:07 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Larrylied, EdZep
Cheers -- this one's for you.
44 posted on 02/18/2002 3:22:25 PM PST by cyn
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To: TLBSHOW
I have heard Michael Medved on many occasions correct callers who tried to link conservatives to the Nazis.
45 posted on 02/18/2002 3:22:40 PM PST by tubebender
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To: ValenB4
I suspect Marx, were he alive today, would cringe at what has been done in his name.

I think that's a safe bet although he was not week-kneed about the use of force, I doubt he ever envisioned it on a scale of Stalin, Mao or Hitler.

Marx was actually an interesting person. He was like a half baked doctor in many ways. He was excellent at diagnosing the aliment. He had that part right a lot. The part he had trouble with was the cure. His prescriptions ended up killing the patient.

46 posted on 02/18/2002 3:24:37 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Asclepius
Communists, Nazis and fascists differed in style, but hardly at all in substance, and not at all in terms of results: misery, ruin and slaughter.

"The Party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth. We must therefore develop branches of the Party in which the whole of individual life will be reflected. Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the Party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism - not such trifles as the private means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper..."

"The people about us are unaware of what is really happening to them. The gaze fascinated at one or two superficialities, such as possessions and income or rank and other outworn conceptions. As long as these are kept intact, they are quite satisfied. But in the meantime, they have entered a new relation; a powerful social force has caught them up. They themselves are changed. What are ownership and income to that? Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."
Adolph Hitler - Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction pp 191-193

America's Left is no different in aim or outcome. War is coming...
47 posted on 02/18/2002 3:24:58 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: TLBSHOW
Very good article. It should be required reading in all high school history classes, not to mention colleges.

But don't hold your breath this sham will be uncovered and rectified. Too many people have too much at stake in the deception to allow that to happen.

48 posted on 02/18/2002 3:25:38 PM PST by Gritty
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To: tubebender
Bump
49 posted on 02/18/2002 3:26:32 PM PST by scooby321
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To: tubebender;ALL
and everytime we correct the lies the better off we will be. The liberals are the liars and they need to be seen as such. If the mainstream media won't tell the truth the newest force which is the internet conservative news sites will and when more people get logged on the more people will wake up and see the truth and will see just who has been telling the lies. Its the left and the democrats and their kind AKA Hillary and Bill.
50 posted on 02/18/2002 3:27:51 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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