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New book on parenting engenders anger in gays
www.northjersey.com ^ | 12/13/02 | Ruth Padawar

Posted on 12/14/2002 1:12:14 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband

New book on parenting engenders anger in gays

RUTH PADAWER

Move over, Dr. Spock. Now, alongside parenting books on discipline, potty training, and sibling rivalry, there's this: "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality."

In a message that has some people getting riled and others throwing out the welcome mat, authors Joseph and Linda Ames Nicolosi argue that homosexuality is a "disorder" that parents can head off. To do that, they say parents should toughen up "girlish" boys, feminize rough-and-tumble girls, and make sure their kids stick with toys, activities, and mannerisms traditionally aligned with their gender.

It's a controversial prescription - sure to get the daytime TV talk shows buzzing.

"He uses the ugliest of stereotypes, with a 'science' that is provably bankrupt," Wayne Besen, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay and lesbian political group, says of Joseph Nicolosi. "His underlying message is that people can't find peace and happiness in being gay. It's complete nonsense."

But Len Deo, head of the New Jersey Family Policy Council, applauds the Nicolosis' message.

"Man was created to be in a complementary union with a woman - that's the natural order," he said. "No matter how you slice it, homosexuality is a tough lifestyle, and for parents, it's becoming more and more important to direct their children toward a normal, healthy lifestyle."

Joseph Nicolosi is no stranger to controversy. As founder and president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, he has long argued that homosexuality is a disability that can be repaired.

In the new book, Nicolosi and his wife urge parents to intervene as soon as they spot trouble: a boy playing with dolls; a girl romping only with boys. They tell fathers to be close to their sons, showing them how to fill gas tanks and partake in sports, and they warn that if fathers don't hug their sons, someday another man will.

Mothers, they say, must avoid over-involvement in their boys' lives. Children should find playmates of the same gender, so girls who might tend toward lesbianism can learn feminine ways, and what he calls "pre-homosexual boys" can be toughened up by other boys' roughness.

Mainstream psychologists and gay rights advocates are not the only ones rankled by the Nicolosis' advice.

"His ideas sound like they're from the 1950s," said John Chapman, a Teaneck father of two girls, ages 15 and 19. "I was brought up with those ideas, and I can't imagine imposing them on my kids. Giving girls dolls or making boys play baseball won't make them heterosexual, though it may make them miserable and repress who they really are. We raised our children to know we would love them no matter what."

The bottom line is that no one is born gay, Joseph Nicolosi said in an interview, and the proper environment can help children "actualize their true heterosexual nature." He contends that boys become gay because they feel insecure in their masculinity, and girls become lesbians to make up for the lack of connection with their mothers.

They are ideas that the medical establishment rejected years ago. The American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Medical Association all concluded about 30 years ago that homosexuality is not a disorder. More recently, they note that several studies indicate at least some biological basis for sexual orientation.

"His ideas about homosexuality are a recitation of old psychoanalytic theories that never had any empirical support to begin with," said Douglas Haldeman, co-author of the American Psychological Association's guidelines for psychotherapy for lesbian, gay, and bisexual clients. Haldeman says his colleagues have been firing off e-mails raging about the book. "His ideas are totally out of step with the social sciences. The notion that we should interfere with atypical gender behavior - especially based on prejudicial and outmoded ideas of gender identity - is potentially very dangerous for kids."

The Nicolosis suggest that parents replace toys, games, and articles of clothing that are not specific to their child's gender. They stress the importance of "extinguishing feminine behavior" in boys with "gentle and consistent disapproval." And they say parents should also watch out for tomboys.

"In and of itself, a girl who wants to wear blue jeans and climb trees is not a cause of concern," said Nicolosi. "But the pre-lesbian condition includes stereotypic rejection of femininity, only wearing things that look like a boy's, being emotionally detached from the mother, wanting to play only with boys."

Gay rights supporters have dismissed the book as simply the latest salvo in the ongoing, rancorous debate over homosexuality.

"They used to try to save society from gay people, like in the late 1980s saying that gays should be quarantined if they had AIDS," said Besen. "Then in the Nineties, there were people like Fred Phelps, the minister of God Hates Fags, with the idea that fire and brimstone and condemnation was the answer. And now their line is: 'We love gay people. We're simply trying to save them from themselves.' It's the same message, just in a prettier package."

Of course, not everyone agrees. The book carries a long list of endorsements from leaders in the traditional family values movement, who welcome it as a refreshing addition to a world they view as both too prescriptive and too lenient. The well-known radio evangelist James Dobson has called the book the "very best resource for parents and teachers."

"In our culture, boys can't be boys anymore," said Frances Edwards, a Ridgewood mother of children aged 10, 9, and 4. "Traditional boyish pranks are now viewed as psychosis or a crime. They're put on Ritalin and told they have to behave a certain way. There's a lot of pressure in our society to feminize boys and of course that's going to have an impact on a certain percentage of them."

Jim Slagter, a Wayne father of an 18-year-old boy and 15-year-old daughter, has always been amused at the ways his kids entertained themselves during car rides - his son making car and gun noises, his daughter singing and talking to her dolls.

"I agree with efforts not to encourage anything that might lead to homosexual behavior, primarily because I believe it would not be a happy life," Slagter said. "My wife and I have always tried to be conscious not to smother our son with too much protection. We have tried to find a balance. We wanted him to grow up to be tough enough to be a ... well, to be a man."

Little of the political debate resonates with parents who have come to accept their children's homosexuality. Though they agree with Nicolosi's assertion that lesbians and gays are sometimes distraught over their orientation, they say it's only because they fear a hostile reception.

"My daughter would have been very happy at one point not to be gay," said Lillian Epstein, a Park Ridge mother whose children are now grown. "Going through high school, college, her first years as a lawyer, those were difficult years. She was terrified of being found out, of being fired. She had to live a life of lies. When she came out to us, 25 years ago, I wondered, like every parent does: What did I do wrong? Did I send her to the wrong college? Was it too liberal?

"In the beginning, when you learn your child is gay, you think you should bring your child to therapy so they can change. But parents have to realize that it's their own expectations that have to change. Eventually, you move beyond accepting, to the point where you cherish their uniqueness and admire their courage."


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To: WriteOn
Oh this is excellent. This is it EXACTLY!!!!!

Women who have been betrayed by a man after a long-term relationship often fear trusting other men and seek relief from their loneliness through involvement in homosexual relationships. Women who have been sexually abused or raped as children or adolescents may find it difficult or almost impossible to trust men. They may, therefore, turn to a woman for affection and to fulfil their sexual desires.

21 posted on 12/14/2002 3:02:20 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
BTTT for later...
22 posted on 12/14/2002 3:03:33 PM PST by EdReform
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To: Paul Atreides
And, I'm sure they will say the same about pedophelia

Not exactly.....they debate the age at which pedophelia begins....and ends, at which point it is OK.

Certain countries in Europe have managed to get the "age of consent" down to 12 already. Why not 10 or 8...etc. It's only a matter of time.

23 posted on 12/14/2002 3:04:24 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
parents should toughen up "girlish" boys, feminize rough-and-tumble girls

It's a pretty sad commentary on our society when someone who advocates the above is considered "controversial"...

24 posted on 12/14/2002 3:05:31 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Building a bridge to the nineteenth century. I feel sorry for the tomboy girls who will be taught there is something wrong with them. What's next? Foot binding?
25 posted on 12/14/2002 3:08:32 PM PST by gcruse
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Nicolosi and his wife urge parents to intervene as soon as they spot trouble: a boy playing with dolls

What about a boy playing with action figures? Is that okay? :)

26 posted on 12/14/2002 3:23:16 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: gcruse
I have identical twin girls. One of them is very girly, and the other is more of a tomboy. The "tomboy" loves her big brother. She wears his clothes. She has even been caught standing up to pee (I don't really know how she does this).

I'm not really worried about either one of them. The tomboy one already says that she is "in love" with a boy in her class, and she wants to marry him.

My son hates sports. He's super skinny, and he is not strong and coordinated. I'm not really worried about him either. He does love the outdoors, and he is going to join the Cub Scouts. He also loves legos and computers. My husband was not into sports, and he is definitely a heterosexual.

I do know that my kids all at one time say things like they are going to marry their brother or sister or a good friend. I just point out nicely that you can't marry your brother or sister, girls don't marry girls, and boys don't marry boys.

I figure if you show them a normal male/female relationship they'll turn out okay. I also think that if you love and support your children, then they will turn out fine. Of course, my kids are only 6 and 8, so I don't know what they will be like in 10 or 20 years.
27 posted on 12/14/2002 3:33:49 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: gcruse
Corsets and lectures on seminal weakness, probably.

28 posted on 12/14/2002 3:33:55 PM PST by JoshGray
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To: luckystarmom
yes ... but make sure that your local school doesn't undercut all your good work by teaching them repulsive, unnatural practices and forcing them to "accept" the freaks who practice them.
29 posted on 12/14/2002 3:45:13 PM PST by Temple Drake
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To: Frohickey
When my little boy was three I thought he was playing too much with his twin sister's barbie dolls, telling them they were pretty and kissing them, so I got him a Ken doll but then I saw him throwing Ken at the wall or onto the ceiling and asked him what he was doing to Ken ---he was beating him up.
30 posted on 12/14/2002 3:45:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
{Now why would gays be so angry about this book? For years, the gay lobby has been lecturing America about the need to respect diversity. Afterall, don't gays practice what they preach? } - SARCASM
31 posted on 12/14/2002 4:18:14 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; Khepera; ppaul; buffyt; L.N. Smithee; conserve-it; g'nad; Clint N. Suhks; ...
Thanks for the ping and I noticed Free the USA pinged the index as well. Excellent. Here's a ping of my own.
32 posted on 12/14/2002 5:49:06 PM PST by scripter
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To: Fintan
Man was created to be in a complementary union with a woman - that's the natural order

And as far as I'm concerned, that's that.

Indeed! There's no valid rebuttal for that statement.

33 posted on 12/14/2002 5:52:12 PM PST by scripter
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To: x1stcav
Guess who bitches and complains when we all don't want to pony up for more funds for AIDS?

You want to live a homosexual lifestyle? Fine with me. Just don't ask me to pay for it or condone it.
34 posted on 12/14/2002 5:52:41 PM PST by ladylib
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"The American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Medical Association all concluded about 30 years ago that homosexuality is not a disorder."

Anyone familiar with how that happened knows that they were forced into it by homosexual protestors at their conventions and conferences. They caved in for one reason only -- to avoid further embarassment. None of these groups have had any credibility with me since.

35 posted on 12/14/2002 5:59:22 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: x1stcav; I_Love_My_Husband; Clint N. Suhks; All
What Homosexuals Say About Homosexuals - Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

Seven Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child

36 posted on 12/14/2002 6:03:14 PM PST by EdReform
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To: Commander8
"Sounds like an interesting book."

Without even reading it, I can tell you that if the homos are incensed by it, then it should probably be required reading.

37 posted on 12/14/2002 6:04:01 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; All
Selling Homsexuality
38 posted on 12/14/2002 6:06:52 PM PST by EdReform
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
The more it angers the homosexual activists, the more good people must support it!

And that fact that it can help save people from the homosexual deathstyle is just a big fat honking plus on top of that!

39 posted on 12/14/2002 6:21:43 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: EdReform
Hmmm, two dozen posts before the pro-homo cheerleaders weighed in. Must be some kinda record.
40 posted on 12/14/2002 6:26:37 PM PST by FormerLib
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