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Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination
Newsmax ^ | 11/19/2003 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 11/18/2003 10:38:05 PM PST by Swordmaker

There's an explosive new book that lays out a very detailed – and persuasive – case for the probability that the late President Lyndon Baines Johnson was responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

I say persuasive because the author, Barr McClellan, was one of LBJ's top lawyers, and he provides a lot of information hitherto unknown to the general public – much more of which he says is buried in secret documents long withheld from the American people.

"The American public has waited forty years to hear the truth about the JFK assassination," McClellan says. "For government agencies to withhold critical evidence and not cooperate with the [1998 investigation conducted by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB)] is a form of obstruction of justice. Under the requirements of the Freedom of Information Act, the public should be granted access to these documents."

According to McClellan and Doug Horne, a former ARRB investigator, hundreds of relevant documents were withheld from the 1998 investigation into the JFK assassination. They believe that these materials are now in the possession of the National Archives, relocated from sealed files previously controlled by the CIA and FBI.

McClellan also asked for a formal review of the evidence in his book, "Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K.," which establishes a direct connection between LBJ and an individual involved with the assassination and cover-up.

"At this time we need to see what else is missing and what else would be helpful to presenting the entire truth," McClellan continued. "The Senate Judiciary Committee and the Department of Justice could make the request of the National Archives and should do so."

Now, in normal circumstance I would tend to view this latest explanation of who was behind the killing of JFK as exactly that – just another theory among dozens. But the circumstances are not normal. Poll after poll establishes that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe that the official verdict of the Warren Commission is simply not borne out by what little is known publicly about the case.

McClellan's new book adds to those facts and names a second suspect he says was a longtime assassin for Lyndon Johnson, whom he portrays as ... well, as being homicidal whenever he or his many concealed interests were threatened.

Add to that the incredible inconsistencies in the FBI and Secret Service investigations, which reek with the stench of cover-up, and one can't escape the conclusion that if LBJ did nothing else in dealing with the aftermath of the assassination, he sure as hell clamped a lid on any evidence that contradicted the official finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman acting solely on his own initiative.

I report all of this as a prelude to revealing what I know about the matter but have never before written about – in the beginning, because I had a wife and seven children to protect, and since, because I had no reason to revisit the matter.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assasination; conspiracy; jfk; jfkassassination; kennedy; lbj
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
They should have used Teddy in the re-enactment. Of course, then it wouldn'd have been an accurate re-enacment, since he'd have been way to easy to hit.

Dealy Plaza also doesn't have a fountain for him to drive into with the car.

61 posted on 11/19/2003 8:16:18 AM PST by N. Theknow (Be a glowworm, a glowworm's never glum, cuz how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum.)
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To: Rennes Templar
One thing I distinctly remember from film and photos about the asassination and LBJ: At some point shortly after the shooting, he was smiling and even laughing. This was quite obvious to me but no one ever commented on it. Why would he be smiling then?

Someone pointed on an earlier thread a month or so ago, that in the photo taken right after LBJ was sworn in, not the famous one we all know where he's being sworn in, but right after that there's a photo of him turning to look at Rep. Albert Thomas (D. Tex.) who winks at LBJ. It's obvious too, Thomas has a smile on his face, in addition to the wink.

It's in the Groden book The Killing of the President, which I had to get after reading about it.

The whole scene seems to be very inappropriate to say the least.

62 posted on 11/19/2003 8:21:24 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: GreatOne
Take this into account with how Oswald was discovered - getting a coke out of a machine afterwards on the second floor. If he was on the sixth floor, after the shooting he would have had to run to the back of the room, then down 4 flights of stairs, then race across the lunch room to the front of the floor where the coke machine was. Then appear very calm - no hints of running and/or shooting someone. No way.

Not only did he have to do all you mention, but there was one other thing that I had not heard before, that was mentioned in the History Channel program.

I didn't realize that the rifle supposedly used by Oswald was found hidden behind some boxes on the opposite from the windows, so he had to also hide that rifle and then race down those stairs, all in 78 seconds apparently. How could he have done all that and still not be out of breath, as was reported by someone who saw him at that time?

Another interesting tidbit, the rifle which was found a short time after the shooting didn't test positive for Oswald's fingerprints until 3 days later, after his death, despite being tested for prints before that.

63 posted on 11/19/2003 8:30:03 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: esopman
I try to go to the source for my information.

I look at the photographs and I read the interviews of the people who were the closest to the shots.

Three people on the fifth floor heard the three shots and the three pieces of brass hit the floor.
64 posted on 11/19/2003 8:35:56 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: N. Theknow
Actually it does. It's just not deep enough for a car.
65 posted on 11/19/2003 8:36:53 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: esopman
The History Channel had all the statements from the Dallas Parkland doctors noting the massive right rear exit wound.

I sure wish the disinformation specialists who always want to knock this down would answer this:

How to explain the description of the wounds as told by the attending physicians in the Parkland ER who treated JFK?

I trust their remembrances and hands-on experience much more than those who keep coming out of the woodwork to keep this country in the dark -- for how many more years?

How long are we supposed to wait?

I'm so fed up. Tell us the truth for crying out loud! Do we have to wait till the 50th anniversary of this crime?

66 posted on 11/19/2003 8:38:31 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
Why don't you try it instead of making statements like that?

I tried it at a Hospital after leaving a cardio-heart rehabilitation class. If anyone should have been out of breath it was me.

Going down six flights of stairs, even with raised ceilings and double stairways is easy to do in 90 seconds.

Tossing a rifle you will never own again is pretty easy too. It may have accounted for the misaligned scope.
67 posted on 11/19/2003 8:40:59 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Swordmaker
What does your remark mean?

Anyone who has fired a rifle knows that this was an exceptionally difficult shot: not because of distance, nor necessarily that JFK was both moving AND accelerating--but because the angle was DOWN.

Down- and up- angle shooting requires either re-sighting or exceptionally lengthy practice at angles because bullet trajectory is not quite the same as 'flat' shooting.

So the fact that Oswald was in the tower--or the fact that he pulled the trigger--is not proof that Oswald actually executed Kennedy.
68 posted on 11/19/2003 8:43:20 AM PST by ninenot
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To: texasbluebell
Apparently because you are getting your information from cheap tabloids instead of using common sense. Are you saying that Kennedy had a bullet hole in his throat and another on his back and no bullets were removed because they evaporated?

The emergency doctors weren't interested in tracing bullet paths. They were trying to save his life or at least go through the motions.
69 posted on 11/19/2003 8:46:26 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
"And Oswald missed one shot out of three."

Hmmm. You seem prone to giving Oswald the benefit of great marksmanship skills -- which he did not possess. And you are selective in portions of the test which you care to address. Point in fact: "Only one of the championship marksmen—and he only on one round and firing at still targets—had matched the firing time attributed to Oswald."

In short Oswald -- shooting at a moving tarket -- supposedly hit two of three times -- making him a better marksman than the experts.
70 posted on 11/19/2003 8:46:30 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: truth_seeker; Swordmaker
If nothing else, the theory demonstrates that "Clintoncide" is not a new phenomenon to the Democrats.
71 posted on 11/19/2003 8:48:08 AM PST by ninenot
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To: Lee'sGhost
Nope. I go for the facts.

Oswald was a one trick pony who practiced nightly by working the bolt. He missed one out of three and he was a sharpshooter in the Marines.

Had he shot an inch or two more to the right, Kennedy would have lived and we wouldn't be writing about this.
72 posted on 11/19/2003 8:50:04 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: esopman
"The History Channel last night (11/18) aired one of the best reviews of the case I have seen. "

The thing I found most interesting about these HC reports was the still living witnesses the brought out and their accounts that were confirmed as part of the shows. The HC showed how so much of their accounts were simply ignored by the WC or how the WC would account for discrpencies in the their "facts" as being because of the confused state of the witness.

73 posted on 11/19/2003 8:50:43 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: ninenot
The downward angle effected the bullet by less than an inch and Oswald shot high on the two hits.
74 posted on 11/19/2003 8:52:14 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Az Joe

75 posted on 11/19/2003 8:52:22 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Interesting thing about that diagram -- why is Kennedy looking down BEFORE the bullet stikes? I can see where it would be forced down once struck, but for the angle to be right, per this diagram, he has to already be looking down.
76 posted on 11/19/2003 8:53:26 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thank you for the reply. I welcome any and all corrections. Easy to believe that Oswald fired more than once. Not easy to believe Arlen (Scottish Law) Specter's 'magic bullet.' Overriding all of this is the eyewitness testimony, cf Texasbluebell #66. I do agree with you that there are a lot of kooks circulating around in this Greek tragedy in slow motion extending over the last several decades. Still, in the aggregate, I must conclude that the Warren Commission report is a fabrication and that the government has a lot to hide.
77 posted on 11/19/2003 8:53:39 AM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: Swordmaker
When I was reminded that Arlen Specter was on the Warren Commission it made it easier to believe that there was some sort of cover-up.
78 posted on 11/19/2003 8:54:27 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Shooter 2.5
Apparently because you are getting your information from cheap tabloids instead of using common sense.

Uh, no, I am not. I thought I said that these were video interviews with the very ER docs who attended JFK.

They know what they saw, and no amount of spinning is going to change that.

79 posted on 11/19/2003 8:55:43 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Lee'sGhost
It's hard to imagine firing a bolt-action that slow unless there is some problem with feeding or ejecting shells. Was the actual firing distance 75 feet? That is incredibly short, it's a pistol shot. Why do so many say that the shooter had to be such a marksman? Makes no sense. It's a question of intent, not skill.
80 posted on 11/19/2003 8:58:23 AM PST by RightWhale (Close your tag lines)
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