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Reinforcements join hunt for top bin Laden aide (Other Information Linked)
Los Angeles Times via. The houston Chronicle ^ | March 19, 2004, 9:57PM | ZULFIQAR ALI and PAUL WATSON

Posted on 03/19/2004 11:03:25 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

PESHAWAR, Pakistan -- Hundreds of suspected al-Qaida fighters continued to battle withering fire from helicopter gunships and artillery Friday as Pakistan's military vowed to crush militants who might have been defending Osama bin Laden's top deputy.

Several thousand reinforcements poured into the tribal region of South Waziristan on the Afghan border to back up about 7,000 Pakistani soldiers and paramilitary forces locked in combat with the militants since Tuesday.

Security forces began house-to-house searches Friday on the outskirts of Azam Warsak and other villages near Wana, the administrative center of South Waziristan, senior officials said. They called the search operation slow and tricky as militants continued to put up heavy resistance.

"The mission is to get these people dead or alive," Pakistani military spokesman Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told reporters in Islamabad....."

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; pakistan; southasia; waziristan; wot
"Several thousand reinforcements" suggests they are getting ready for the kill.
1 posted on 03/19/2004 11:03:25 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Pakistan has been quite cooperative lately...
2 posted on 03/19/2004 11:04:28 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Jeez, how long until they wrap this thing up? It's been a long week.
3 posted on 03/19/2004 11:07:21 PM PST by kevao
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To: SunStar
Pakistan has been quite cooperative lately...

Yes, and Spain has created an opening for a few American perts! ; )

4 posted on 03/19/2004 11:07:37 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"The mission is to get these people dead or alive,"

When feasting on terrorists I prefer mine ground, wrapped in bacon, and fully cooked to charred!

5 posted on 03/19/2004 11:12:56 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: SunStar
If the other reports I have seen are true, the fighters are mostly foreign fanatics that remain.

Where is Dr Ayman al-Zawahri?

PESHAWAR: Is Dr Ayman al-Zawahri really holed up in the besieged Azam Warsak area in South Waziristan?

Or has there been a miscalculation on the part of the military commanders who felt the fierce resistance being put up by the militants was primarily aimed at protecting a high-value al-Qaeda target?

President General Pervez Musharraf’s comment on the issue during the CNN interview not only fuelled speculation as to the identity of the high-value al-Qaeda target but also raised expectations with regard to the success of the ongoing military campaign in South Waziristan.

Despite the subsequent explanations by government spokesmen that the president didn’t mention Dr al-Zawahri’s name, the international media is now focused on only one question and that is the fate of the Egyptian surgeon who is now effectively the al-Qaeda number two.

The government should prepare itself for a round of media criticism if Dr al-Zawahri isn’t found alive or dead. There would be criticism that Dr al-Zawahri was able to slip out of the supposedly tight military cordon. The government would also attract flak for misleading the world by claiming that somebody important in al-Qaeda could be hiding in the targeted area.

The US would feel justified in demanding of the government to let its troops enter the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) due to the inability of the Pakistani troops to nab the wanted men.

It would be wrong to rule out the presence of Dr al-Zawahri in South Waziristan, or indeed in some other place in Pakistan. Most al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders and commanders tried to escape to Pakistan after the fall of Taliban regime in Afghanistan and many of them managed to do so.

It is possible that Dr al-Zawahri, or even Osama bin Laden, spent time in South Waziristan at one stage. But common sense demands that they would try and move out of a place that in recent months has become the focus of an intense hunt for them. If they are still there, it only shows that they don’t have many other safe places to hide and are unable also to take the risk of moving elsewhere.

One would like to believe that the president and his military commanders haven’t based their assessment about the presence of the high-value al-Qaeda target in the area only on the basis of the fierce resistance being put up by the militants. Though military spokesman Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan made it clear that the assessment wasn’t based on any information gleaned from captured militants, it is possible that the US and Pakistani army commanders are in possession of intercepts and leads that points to the possible presence of Dr al-Zawahri in the mountains of South Waziristan.

Otherwise, those who know the al-Qaeda fighters, or are aware of the fighting skills and determination of Chechens, Uzbekistanis and Pashtuns, won’t be surprised a bit by the spirited fight being put up by the outnumbered and outgunned men holding out in the villages around Azam Warsak. They never surrender and are willing to die for their cause. They would put up a strong resistance with or without Dr al-Zawahri.

Also there was an assumption that bin Laden and Dr al-Zawahri would stick together as they have done all these years. If they are now separated and Dr al-Zawahri is holed up alone in South Waziristan, there could be two explanations for this. One, that the two have decided to stay separately so that one is able to survive and run al-Qaeda in case the other is killed or captured. Two, that bin Laden is long dead and that is why Dr al-Zawahri is alone rather than in the company of his al-Qaeda boss.

We also have to keep in mind that there are fewer Arabs among those resisting the Pakistan Army compared to the Uzbekistanis, Chechens and Pakistani tribesmen. The Arabs are the real al-Qaeda and the followers of bin Laden and Dr al-Zawahri. They would surely fight to protect their two al-Qaeda leaders. For the Uzbekistanis and Chechens and Pakistani Pashtun tribesmen, association with al-Qaeda would be far less important than the urge to help the homeless Arabs.

The Uzbekistani Islamists would be more inclined to protect their leader Tahir Yuldesh, head of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan who too is believed to be hiding in the border areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan. For the Chechens, it would be absolutely essential to protect their commander, Daniar, who too is reportedly holed up in the tribal borderland of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And for the Pakistani tribesmen who are part of this group, it would be much more relevant to protect Nek Mohammad, Sharif Khan, Nur Islam, Maulvi Abbas and Maulvi Aziz, five of the most wanted men in South Waziristan. It is possible that Tahir Yuldesh, commander Daniar and Nek Mohammad and his four colleagues are the high-value targets now holding out in South Waziristan.

6 posted on 03/19/2004 11:25:52 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The longer this takes, the more skeptical I am that we will catch or kill anybody important.
7 posted on 03/19/2004 11:52:27 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Al-Zawahri Thought to Be Bin Laden Mentor
8 posted on 03/19/2004 11:57:22 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: MediaMole
That is one way to look at it.

I am leaning toward the probability they are protecting someone important. In the course of this operation they have recovered $700,000 in cash and an armoured civilian vehicle. Both items would not likely be found in a poor Waziristan area if there were no big shots present. Also reported, the armoured civilian vehicle was found crashed and with blood in it, so Al Zawahri may be wounded and at 52 even if he was unscathed is in no condiditon to escape young soldiers on foot.

9 posted on 03/20/2004 12:05:59 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I pasted the same opinion piece in a different thread earlier today. Some interesting information here. People here might want to take note of this posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1101775/posts?page=21#21

And post 31:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1101775/posts?page=31#31



It is an extremely delicate situation.
10 posted on 03/20/2004 12:07:49 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"The US would feel justified in demanding of the government to let its troops enter the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) due to the inability of the Pakistani troops to nab the wanted men."

A C130 would be quicker.
11 posted on 03/20/2004 12:25:30 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Cap Huff
Below relates to some of you points about the Uzbek angle.

Slow progress for Pakistani soldiers in pursuit of a top Al Qaeda official

12 posted on 03/20/2004 12:28:16 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Several thousand reinforcements poured into the tribal region of South Waziristan on the Afghan border to back up about 7,000 Pakistani soldiers and paramilitary forces locked in combat with the militants since Tuesday.

With that many troops in this .. whoever is in there, he's pretty big and important

13 posted on 03/20/2004 12:30:29 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
I have to think so with all the indications of money found,
Armoured civilian vehicle and fanatical resistance adding to the events.
14 posted on 03/20/2004 12:34:58 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thanks for putting this thread up .. I learned more here then listening to the news.

Heavy stuff is going on it sounds like
15 posted on 03/20/2004 12:39:40 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
Thanks.
16 posted on 03/20/2004 12:40:59 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Pakistan says militants must surrender, or die
17 posted on 03/20/2004 1:11:15 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Pakistan grills prisoners on al-Zawahri
18 posted on 03/20/2004 1:17:48 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Fear Osama pal escape - U.S. 'skeptical' No. 2's bagged as fight rages
19 posted on 03/20/2004 1:41:27 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Pakistan meets fierce resistance in hunt for al-Qaida boss
20 posted on 03/20/2004 2:42:39 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Pakistan Says 'High-Value Target' Chechen or Uzbek
21 posted on 03/20/2004 2:59:15 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
TERROR SUSPECT ESCAPES

Sky news, FWIW.

22 posted on 03/20/2004 3:02:13 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Taliban to US, Pak: Get ready for bloodshed

Like we didn't know.

23 posted on 03/20/2004 3:11:17 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Have our Americans gotten used to the High altitudes yet...I remember it was quite a problem for them at the beginning!
24 posted on 03/20/2004 3:15:53 AM PST by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004...." MDMATHIS6, The Anti-Democrat")
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To: mdmathis6
I have to believe so because so many troops have been in the
region long enough to acclimatize.
25 posted on 03/20/2004 3:20:16 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Fear Osama pal escape

U.S. 'skeptical' No. 2's bagged as fight rages

By JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU


Tribesman comforts child hurt by shells at a hospital yesterday in South Waziristan, Pakistan.

WASHINGTON - Thousands of Pakistani troops poured heavy fire into the mountain stronghold where Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, may be hiding, but American officials fretted he may have gotten away.




http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/175485p-152767c.html
26 posted on 03/20/2004 3:55:41 AM PST by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
Pakistan Arrests More Than 100 Suspects
27 posted on 03/20/2004 4:04:03 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mdmathis6
"Have our Americans gotten used to the High altitudes yet...I remember it was quite a problem for them at the beginning!"

I was thinking of that when I read that the Brits had sent in (another?) 100 SAS troops. The SAS routinely train at high altitudes.

28 posted on 03/20/2004 6:19:11 AM PST by blam
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I haven't been following these threads (they're too long!), so I want to ask a question. Has anyone heard anyone say that they think this whole thing is a hoax being perpetrated by the Pakistanis? I heard two different people on local talk radio say this, but haven't seen anything to that effect here. Has this been discussed?
29 posted on 03/20/2004 6:40:10 AM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname (Stop The Flow of Ketchup to China!! Vote for George Bush in 2004!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Spain take note: This is how patriots confront evil in their midst. You may resume your groveling now.
30 posted on 03/20/2004 8:23:00 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Thanks for all the links. Between the lack of US news reporting and the number of different threads this story is pouring across on FR, it's been hard trying to keep up with the developments in Pakistan.

Here's another one from the Houston Chronicle link you posted at the start of this thread: More than 100 arrests in Pakistan al-Qaida operation.

Something I found interesting in this one was the report of "ethnic Uighurs from China's predominantly Muslim Xinjiang province" among the terrorists they've captured. First time I've heard about that.

31 posted on 03/20/2004 8:47:19 AM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: SunStar
Pakistan has a very brave and loyal Army, and do not think that this surge against the Al Aqiada has just begun, this has been going on for months. I have a friend who is an Pakistani Army officer, and he has just returned from a three month assignment in the tribal areas. I think that we just can not imagine how inaccesible the tribal area is, and just how cut off it is from the rest of the world.

The Pakistan Army has been building roads into this area, trying to build schools, and to bring in TV. This area is very poor and primitive.

The Arabs have come to this area seeking shelter and telling the tribal leaders that they are Muslim and deserving of shelter and protection, and they have brought lots of money with them to offer to these very poor people.
I have been told that the Arabs have bought the virginity of the girls there..

Be sure of one thing......Pakistan is very serious.
32 posted on 03/20/2004 9:24:10 AM PST by tessalu
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To: SunStar
The Keystone Kops vs: the Pajama patrol.

This a win win situation. Give back my guys and we won't kill you!!

Where is our armed forces. We could have cleaned this up already.

The Amakanoff Smanislamoff patrol doesn't even know how to get a kill.

I ask where is the 101'st and the SEALS???

Comme on USA whats the play here??
34 posted on 03/20/2004 6:15:36 PM PST by Iberian
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To: gollymolly
Pakistan's deadly Al-Qaeda assault moves into fourth day
35 posted on 03/20/2004 8:43:59 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Iberian
DNA tests on corpse will reveal if it is Bin Laden's deputy
36 posted on 03/20/2004 8:47:38 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
PAKISTAN NOT CLOSING IN ON 'BIG AL' AFTER ALL
37 posted on 03/21/2004 12:51:43 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The secret war (More detail on Al-Zawahiri Op)
38 posted on 03/21/2004 1:43:44 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Bin Laden's Deputy Is Not Involved in Battle, Telegraph Says
39 posted on 03/21/2004 4:19:10 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Terror group unlikely harboring al-Zawahri

"..Rashid said Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahri don't use non-Arabs to protect them - making it unlikely that al-Zawahri is in the area, as Pakistani officials had earlier claimed..."

That I hadn't noticed in the material. It could be that he was not there after all, but we still don't know who was wounded in the Armoured car that was shot up earlier or who was with him.

40 posted on 03/21/2004 4:48:59 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: MediaMole
True, and there are many tunnels in the area where big shots can slip away, but it's the unimportant terrorists (useful idiots), who strap on bomb vests and blow up innocents. Kill them all.
41 posted on 03/21/2004 4:52:21 AM PST by hershey
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To: truth_seeker
Of course, we're already there, special ops, etc.. I was listening to the radio yesterday morning...caught 30 secs. of NPR around six AM. They had on a reporter who said just that, but the story is that we're there merely to supply logistics, 'help'. Smoke and mirrors. Half the Pakistani army is on Osama's side, so we'd better be running the show for real no matter what Pakistan's face-saving news release is.
42 posted on 03/21/2004 4:57:26 AM PST by hershey
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To: tessalu
I'm so glad to read your post. It really gives me hope that we can turn things around in that part of the world. The western press likes to say that the Pakistani army is torn between supporting Muslim terrorism and obeying Musharef's (sp.?) orders.
43 posted on 03/21/2004 5:01:43 AM PST by hershey
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Pakistan Army Hunts Militants, Elders Urge Truce
44 posted on 03/21/2004 5:41:24 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Great explanation, thanks

Godspeed
45 posted on 03/21/2004 10:31:07 PM PST by Iberian
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Bin Laden deputy possibly killed
46 posted on 03/22/2004 1:03:06 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Al-Qaida leaders may have escaped through secret tunnel
47 posted on 03/22/2004 5:27:41 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Pakistani elders seek to get prisoners freed
48 posted on 03/24/2004 12:17:27 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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