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L. Ron Hubbard has better lobbyists than God
TownHall.com ^ | Wednesday, April 7, 2004 | by Ben Shapiro

Posted on 04/06/2004 10:14:06 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

It turns out that liberals are right. For years now, the American government has established state religion. No, it's not evangelical Christianity. It's Scientology.

Because of a 1993 secret deal with the Internal Revenue Service, members of L. Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology are allowed to write off costly Scientologist "auditing" and "training" services as charitable gift deductions. Anyone who sends their child to religious school, however, is banned from writing off tuition.

What exactly are Scientologists writing off? Thousands of dollars worth of pure baloney. As authors Andrew Breitbart and Mark Ebner detail in their fascinating book, "Hollywood, Interrupted," Scientology itself is a load of psychedelic babble, and an expensive load at that. It costs over $300,000 to reach the top levels of this cult. "Auditing" -- the service that the IRS allows Scientologists to write off -- is a method of purging "thetans."

Breitbart and Ebner describe what thetans are: "Over 75 million years ago, in a universe far, far away, evil alien overlord Xenu captured all the rebel souls by calling them in for tax auditing and, after injecting them with a mixture of glycol and alcohol, they were transported in B-1 bombers to earth and flung into volcanoes. Then the volcanoes were exploded with neutron bombs. The souls of these immolated aliens, called body thetans (thetan is L. Ron's word for souls), now cling to us like nasty body lice, through reincarnation after reincarnation, and can only be removed through hours of auditing at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars."

Once members have completely cleared themselves of thetans, they become all-powerful, according to Scientology: They "can now create life; they can create universes; they have cause over matter, energy, space and time; and they are free of the bonds of the physical -- functioning totally on the spiritual."

So these devout science-fiction fans are being subsidized by the federal government. It's a good thing George Lucas hasn't set up a church -- yet. Meanwhile, Americans who pay thousands of dollars to teach their children Judeo-Christian morality are forced to pay taxes on their tuition dollars.

This blatant injustice prompted orthodox Jewish accountant Michael Sklar and his wife, Marla, to file a lawsuit against the IRS, claiming that the Scientology deal establishes religion. "Our position is, if you allow them to deduct what they're paying for, their religious indoctrination, we should be able to get the same thing," Sklar told me.

When Sklar filed a similar lawsuit several years ago, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rejected his case but not before recognizing that Sklar had a valid point. The Circuit Court admitted that "it appears to be true" that Scientology's IRS agreement violated the First Amendment.

Sklar's current lawsuit should reach the U.S. Tax Court in late October or early November. While Sklar represented himself in the first lawsuit, he now has a pro bono lawyer. He won't be satisfied with a simple rejection of the Scientology agreement, though. "The government has now been doing this for 10 years, and if the only thing they would do is simply stop, the government would then have been giving a religious preference to a particular group for 10 years. There's nothing to stop it from trying to do it again."

Instead, Sklar wants the IRS to allow all people of every religious persuasion to write off religious education. "If the net result of this is that the only ones who are entitled to a religious deduction are the Scientologists and the Jews, I've really accomplished nothing. This really has to be for every religion in the book," he explains.

The idea of deducting religious education will surely provoke heavy opposition from the left. Many liberals feel that Sklar's proposed deductions would constitute state establishment of religion -- even if the state is allowing people of all religions to deduct. Judge Barry D. Silverman of the 9th Circuit, certainly feels that way. In the first Sklar case, he wrote: "The remedy is not to require the IRS to let others claim the improper deduction."

But the leftist argument that encouragement of religion in general establishes one religion in particular is fallacious. America was founded on religious tolerance and the freedom to observe religion without government encroachment. As John Adams stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

If our public schools have discarded Judeo-Christian ethics for the amorality of multiculturalism, Adams' America rests on those Americans who educate their children in private schools. If Sklar wins his case, perhaps some good can come from thetans after all.


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To: null and void
Most respectfully asked, Do you consider Scientology a religion? What about the outer space stuff were you / are you accepting that as something that did happen? Again respectfully asked as you are the first person I have ever communicated with who was a member. Thanks
21 posted on 04/07/2004 12:10:04 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: agitator
*shrug* Truth is where you find it.

Some of scientology is pretty good. Most of it is so-so. And some of it is pure evil.

I was able to cherry pick quite a bit of good stuff, without getting too badly burned in the process.

May I ask what your experience is? I'm guessing you've lost a friend or two the the, ummm, organization...
22 posted on 04/07/2004 12:10:55 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Yes. Scientology is a religion. It deals with ultimate questions of existence. It has rituals and practices intended (or at least asserted) to improve one's spiritual wellbeing.

OTOH islam is also a religion...

23 posted on 04/07/2004 12:13:36 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
A religion? Lol...two words: BattleStar Earth!
24 posted on 04/07/2004 12:17:03 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "Fallujah would make a lovely glass table top!")
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To: null and void
Is there like any type of "God" in the religion? Because if it is just about the followers existence then wouldn't it be more like secular humanism? I appreciate your comments, I am learning something new tonight.
25 posted on 04/07/2004 12:17:18 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Sort of. Scientology doesn't directly address God, but then again Buddhism doesn't even have a God, yet it is recognized as a religion.

The closest scientology gets is in one of the ways of looking at the world, through the prism of survival urges called "dynamics" there are eight:

1st dynamic - survival of yourself
2nd dynamic - survival of your family (including thru sex)
3rd dynamic - survival of your groups (clan, tribe, country)
4th dynamic - survival of your species
5th dynamic - survival of all living things
6th dynamic - survival of all physical things
7th dynamic - survival of all spiritual things (thetans)
8th dynamic - survival of "everything else" (God)

Each dynamic is a subset of the next higher dynamic.

Scientology doesn't directly addres the 8th dynamic, but it is said that as you get the lower dynamics in good shape, the 8th becomes clear. Yeah, riiiight!

I'll answer your questions as best I can, I've been out quite a while and am a bit rusty...

26 posted on 04/07/2004 12:31:54 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
Do you think Scientology is more like psychology than religion?
27 posted on 04/07/2004 12:38:51 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Oh! I missed this part:

What about the outer space stuff were you / are you accepting that as something that did happen?

Some members do, some don't. I'm willing to allow that a lot could have happened in the past 13.5 billion years. Whether the Hubbard version is accurate? Dunno. I rather doubt it happened exactly as he described it. He was a hack science fiction writer, after all!

The conclusion I finally came to was it didn't really matter if the incidents run in session "really" happened. It is sufficient that the person running them achieved relief from something that's bugging them and/or recovery of abilities.

28 posted on 04/07/2004 12:39:40 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
I am being honest here, I don't know all that much about other religions. If Buddhism doesn't have a God then what are all those statues of Buddha all over the world? I figured Buddha was either a God or a Prophet, and by definition if he is a Prophet then isn't he evangelizing on behalf of his God? Again thanks
29 posted on 04/07/2004 12:43:52 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Hmmmm. Good question. They are sort of like Jews and Arabs. Evil twins of each other.

The asserted goals for each are similar - happy well adjusted people living in a sane world.

In practice they are both on power trips!
30 posted on 04/07/2004 12:44:17 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
I'm not a Buddhist, but my understanding is that Buddha is revered as the first person to wake up. The statues are intended to remind people that the goal is achievable.

Are there Buddhist who worship these graven images? I don't doubt it.

It's much the same with some Christians who worship the cross, and pray to Mary and Saints (Thou shall have NO Gods before Me...)

Some people NEED a tangible "god"..
31 posted on 04/07/2004 12:50:17 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
What do you by "Buddha was the first person to "wake up""? Was he kinda like Adam, the first human being created by God?
32 posted on 04/07/2004 12:53:21 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: null and void
To the best of your knowledge, and I know it has been a while for you, is there a tangible God in Scientology?
33 posted on 04/07/2004 12:55:10 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
No, he just sat under a tree and decided to become enlightened. (After decades of trying to do it the hardway - fasting, meditation, mortifying the flesh, hedonism, etc.)
34 posted on 04/07/2004 12:56:38 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: JohnHuang2
Sects are a very important weapon used by western governments today
35 posted on 04/07/2004 12:57:00 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
No. Not at all. The general impression is that it's the organization's third rail - touch it and die!

By not addressing God, they avoid having to take a stand that would conflict with an established church's view of God. A very shrewd maneuver.
36 posted on 04/07/2004 12:59:42 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
I expect by now there is a group who thinks Ron is God...
37 posted on 04/07/2004 1:00:42 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
okay I got what you mean about Buddhism. You explained it very well. Nice short and simple. He sat under a tree one day and was enlightened. Everyone else who follows Buddhism is reaching for enlightenment. As far as religion goes it doesn't seem that much more bizarre than religions who accept angles descending to earth and talking to us. Actually Buddhism makes more sense to me as a religion than Scientology, no offense intended. Scientology still seems to me to be psychology disguised as religion. I would have to learn more about it to dismiss my initial reaction.
38 posted on 04/07/2004 1:02:41 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Buddhism makes more sense to me as a religion than Scientology, no offense intended.

None taken.

Scientology still seems to me to be psychology disguised as religion. I would have to learn more about it to dismiss my initial reaction.

Probably pretty close to the truth, although it might be a religion disguised as psychology.

If I can be of further help, you're welcome to FReep mail me.

39 posted on 04/07/2004 1:06:27 AM PDT by null and void (John f'ing Kerry - More positions than the Kama Sutra...)
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To: null and void
Thanks. You answered my question there is no "God" in Scientology. It is a taboo subject and they avoid it because if they came out and said there is no God then they couldn't get tax exempt status as a church. So it is mostly about becoming an individual better person, then becoming a better person in your family, then becoming a better person in society, then becoming a better person in the world. Am I getting close to understanding the organization?
40 posted on 04/07/2004 1:11:15 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain
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