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The author of this article misses an extremely important point. John Kerry has managed the ultimate in hypocrisy. While most pro-abortion politicians either deny that an unborn baby is a person, or avoid the issue altogether, Kerry admits life begins at conception but supports abortion anyway. In other words, he knows an unborn baby is a human being, but he's willing to sacrifice lives to get votes from the Democratic base. One might argue abort the Bible's stance on abortion, but once you've accepted that the baby is a life, as John Kerry has, you have no other choice but to accept that the Bible demands that we protect that life. Accuse George Bush of anything you like, but if you accept the most negative accusations against him on every subject, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. and total up all the lives lost as a result, the total doesn't even come close to one year's death tally at the hands of the abortionists. The Bible says that "we ought to obey God rather than man", but John Kerry has made it clear that he will obey the will of the NOW, Planned Parenthood, and other stalwarts of the Democratic party. And you can pat yourself on the back for the accomplishments of liberals, but few of those liberals would include the liberals of today as their brothers. And I believe the Democrats of years past would be disgusted by the positions and what passes for leadership in the Democratic party today.
1 posted on 10/03/2004 7:43:55 AM PDT by Imnotalib
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Christian Liberal now if that isn't a perfect example of a oxymoron statement.


2 posted on 10/03/2004 7:46:40 AM PDT by Two-Bits (I am voting in memory for those that can not vote since 9/11! Vote George W Bush)
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The thing that cracks me up is that this and other things like it that we've been hearing lately are really liberal attempts to co-opt religion in ways the "religious right" have never dreamed.

These people are such hypocrites.


3 posted on 10/03/2004 7:48:40 AM PDT by William Martel (Foreign stupidity makes America stronger.)
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This is the problem with the so-called 'Christian' lefties - in a nutshell:

"What example did Jesus set for us but to struggle in love to make things ever better for the poor and the old and the sick?"

Yes, read the Gospels. Nowhere . . NOWHERE does Our Lord advocate government as a means for aiding the poor and the sick. Christ intends for charity to come from each believer individually and through his or her church.

The left only exists because there are far too many gullible and uninformed people out there.

5 posted on 10/03/2004 7:49:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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The GOP doesn't own Jesus

No but the DNC has a lock on satan.

6 posted on 10/03/2004 7:50:30 AM PDT by Drango (NPR-When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
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I believe abortion is wrong. I also believe it is wrong to bring a child into this world who's only chance for a reasonably normal and successful life is to be raised and cared for by others not responsible for its conception. That, for me, is the dilemma. I don't know the answer.


7 posted on 10/03/2004 7:51:19 AM PDT by Cornpone ((Aging Warrior))
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What example did Jesus set for us

1. Do not kill.
2. Take care of the "least of my brethren."

9 posted on 10/03/2004 7:54:58 AM PDT by syriacus (Showing Bush's facial expressions is great, as long as the Dems include Kerry's spoken words.)
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...Cal Thomas implied that all liberals believe that God is merely an idea of man, that all liberals deny that it is God who makes the rules, that all liberals "wish to create their own version of heaven on Earth through the secular god of big government and a capitulation to our lower natures."

The only editorial change I might make on this piece by Thomas is to substitute most for all.

10 posted on 10/03/2004 7:57:38 AM PDT by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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Accuse George Bush of anything you like, but if you accept the most negative accusations against him on every subject, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. and total up all the lives lost as a result, the total doesn't even come close to one year's death tally at the hands of the abortionists.

Correction: one DAY'S death tally at the hands of the abortionists. (I.e., 4,000)

13 posted on 10/03/2004 8:01:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Jesus admonished us to give to the poor not the government, oh and BTW, he wouldn't like us to kill babies in the womb.
17 posted on 10/03/2004 8:04:00 AM PDT by Brett66 (Dan Rather, the most busted man in America.)
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"The author of this article misses an extremely important point. John Kerry has managed the ultimate in hypocrisy".

That is it in a nutshell for Kerry and all Liberals.

I don't recall Jesus in His 'practicing' life; taking money; goods or services from the 'rich' and giving it to the Government; so that a chosen few could decide for the people; who was worthy of their Charity. . .

Jesus taught that Charity begins at home. . .in one's own heart; and is one's own gift.

Beyond that, the 'taking' of a person's good will. . .the 'taking' of another's rewards for redistribution is neither 'Love' nor 'Charity'.

That the Liberals imagine otherwise is where their arrogance begins. . .that they imagine they can 'recreate' the world in their own image and with their inverted ideals; is where it ends.

18 posted on 10/03/2004 8:05:57 AM PDT by cricket (Don't lose your head. . vote Republican. . .)
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"What example did Jesus set for us but to struggle in love to make things ever better for the poor and the old and the sick? "

Butt not at the point of the Leftist's government guns.


19 posted on 10/03/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Keep RIGHT or get LEFT behind!!)
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Liberals approach the Bible as W.C. Fields did -- "Just looking for loopholes."

There is no concern for the entirety of Scriptures, only the snippets they can twist and distort. This was the same modus operandi employed by Satan in the wilderness with the Lord.

21 posted on 10/03/2004 8:09:15 AM PDT by Zechariah11 (How dare you heal on the Sabbath!)
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As far as I can see, the hierarchy of most mainstream churches are part of the "Christian Left."

The ordinary religious folk, however, are Republicans.


22 posted on 10/03/2004 8:11:30 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Maybe, but the DemocRATS disown him.


23 posted on 10/03/2004 8:13:14 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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"And I believe the Democrats of years past would be disgusted by the positions and what passes for leadership in the Democratic party today."


Based upon what I have encountered by most "Christian" churches they are still serving milk to the sheep. Their religion teaching never gets passed the fact that Christ said there would always be "poor" among you "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This is not you are going to hell post, cause nobody will go to hell with out a full hearing first and the individual will willingly make that decision.


27 posted on 10/03/2004 8:16:54 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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OK, now I've read the article, the author is one of those who is a socialists, but calls himself a liberal.

Interesting that he considers socialism to be a manifestation of Christianity.


28 posted on 10/03/2004 8:17:03 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Jesus refused to be drawn into the politics of his day, as much as they tried. His kingdom "is not of this earth", remember?

The sermon on the mount hit the bullseye target of the limited morality its audience functioned in ("Do not commit adultery", "Do not murder", etc). Jesus opened up to them an unlimited guilt by saying that lust was the same as adultery, that hating your brother the same as murder. He exposed their sham self-righteousness so as to lead them to Him (not some political party).

When was the last time you heard any politician say "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life...and everything else is not"? You didn't, because THAT is Christian, and neither good nor evil governments say it, because they are equally enemies of Christ as Lord.


32 posted on 10/03/2004 8:21:53 AM PDT by avenir
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Nice try, Brooks, but it doesn't wash. You can argue philosophy until the cows come home but, the bottom line is that actions speak louder than words . . . . . . and your words ring VERY hollow.

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attacked the display or use of religious symbolism?

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY tried to outlaw the use of any religious concepts or words from any taxpayer funded medium?

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attacked the Christian principals upon which much of our laws, morals and legal codes are based?

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY hedonism and self-pleasure above the requirements of self-control and adherence to law and morality?

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attempted to defy the Bible's commandments and make murder, in particular, the murder of unborn babies, an acceptable "lifestyle" choice?

Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY assaulted the principals of Christianity while accepting the precepts and philosophies of "religions" that support murder, violence, blasphemy, slavery, oppression and hate (Islam and Satanism come to mind).

You may blather all you like about liberal Christians (and, yes, we recognize that there are some), but don't try to make us believe that they hold religion and the teachings of God, Jesus Christ and the Bible to the same level as conservatives. The actions are simply NOT there to support the claim.

And, actions will ALWAYS speak louder than words.


39 posted on 10/03/2004 8:30:36 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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Another important point. It isn't that the RIGHT embraced those values as the LEFT has rejected these positions for a "man is God " mentality. The RIGHT have been keeping the left from destroying them.


40 posted on 10/03/2004 8:32:31 AM PDT by RedMonqey (Keep RIGHT or get LEFT behind!!)
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As the Good Book says:
46 posted on 10/03/2004 8:39:36 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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