Posted on 11/10/2004 12:51:19 PM PST by VU4G10
LOL! These people are freaking crazy~
You can accuse me of a lot of things and not agree with me, but you sure can't say I've every tried to be anything other than what I am.
Don't like me? Fine. But you'd be hard pressed to prove I'm a fake since I pretty much say what's on my mind.
It's McFly!.
If it looks like amnesty, walks like amnesty, and talks like amnesty, then baby it's AMNESTY.
Many, thought not all, employers hire illegals who use false ID and a fake SSN. That was the case with Wal-Mart. They make all those SS, Medicare and FICA paymments not knowing the person they hired is not who they claim to be.
20 Stat. L., 145
June 18, 1878
CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.
SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Neither
What's the alternative? Just ignore the problem, a la Clinton?
a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue
That's you.
I think you'd be surprised just how successful some of the illegals are. In some cases they own a small business.
We're using new equipment. We're using unmanned vehicles to spot people coming across.
Notice that this answer does not address the fact that 8000 illegals a day enter the country, merely watching them cross does not exclude them nor deport them.
I really don't understand what you are getting at with your comment. After all the illegals scream for civil rights which are not the same as constitutional rights.
Since they are alien nationals, I'm not sure that Constitutional would apply. Maybe International or humanitarian laws, which would be that they should immediately be humanely deported? Either way, they've gotta go.
Haha! I'm betting the "pace" at which it can proceed is a dead stop.
On the contrary, my house is much more affordable having been built with laborers who worked for $6 an hour rather than for $75 an hour.
All this is going to do is promote another wave of illegals.
Some people around here want cheap landscapers - they're more than willing to have their fellow Americans pay the costs . They're actually socialists in capitalist clothing.
Nope, guess not.</sarcasm>
These are solutions that we should be doing right now to stem the illegal alien invasion.
I have not heard if GWB's proposal includes any of your suggestions. Don't forget, a lot of politicians including John McCain condemned Arizona's Prop. 200 which would have dealt with your noted suggestions.
~~~What do you undertand the objectives of this amnesty to be (part a)~~~
First of all, I understand that this is a program that Bush has put forth and that is completely subject to approval by Congress, who would have input (and output, if you will) to it.
Secondly, I'm not agreeing that it's amnesty.
And what I understand is what I read in the Congressional Research Service’s summary of the Administration’s proposal:
On January 7, 2004, President Bush outlined an immigration reform proposal, at the center of which is a new temporary worker program. (26)
According to the White House fact sheet on the proposal, the temporary worker program is intended "to match willing foreign workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs." The program, which would grant participants legal temporary status, would initially be open to both foreign workers abroad and unauthorized aliens within the United States. At some future date, however, it would be restricted to aliens outside the country. The temporary workers' authorized period of stay would be three years and would be renewable for an unspecified period of time. Temporary workers would be able to travel back and forth between their home countries and the United States, and, as stated in the background briefing for reporters, would "enjoy the same protections that American workers have with respect to wages and employment rights." The proposal also calls for increased workplace enforcement of immigration laws.
The proposal would not establish a special mechanism for participants in the temporary worker program to obtain LPR status. According to the fact sheet, the program "should not permit undocumented workers to gain an advantage over those who have followed the rules." Temporary workers would be expected to return to their home countries at the end of their authorized period of stay, and the Administration favors providing them with economic incentives to do so. As stated in the fact sheet:
The U.S. will work with other countries to allow aliens working in the U.S. to receive credit in their nations' retirement systems and will support the creation of tax-preferred savings accounts they can collect when they return to their native countries.
Although it does not include a permanent legalization mechanism, the program would not prohibit temporary workers from applying for legal permanent residency under existing immigration law.
According to the Administration, the proposed temporary worker program should support efforts to improve homeland security by controlling the U.S. borders. The fact sheet states that "the program should link to efforts to control our border through agreements with countries whose nationals participate in the program," but does not elaborate further on this issue.
26. (back)The Administration did not offer a detailed legislative proposal. Some materials on the Administration proposal, however, are available on the White House website. The President's Jan. 7, 2004 remarks on the proposal are available at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/print/20040107-3.html, visited Jan. 8, 2004. A fact sheet on the proposal, entitled Fair and Secure Immigration Reform, is available at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/print/20040107-3.html, visited Jan. 8, 2004. The transcript of a Jan. 6, 2004 background briefing for reporters is available at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/print/20040106-3.html, visited Jan. 8, 2004.
~~~and how in the world do we avoid it happening again in the future (part b)~~~
See above: set an absolute etched in stone deadline: no excuses excepted.
~~~will you support effective and significant measures to secure our borders and ports for the safety of Americans and America?~~~
Of course I would; whatever made you think I wouldn't. You think I want to die?
Well, we see how "fast" it has moved since January.
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