Bush Breaks First Campaign Pledge By Renewing Call For Illegal Alien Amnesty

FAIR ^ | November 10, 2004 | Dan Stein

[FreedomCalls]

We do not have a moral obligation to import more poor people

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

[curiosity]

That's a poem written by a socialist, you know, at a time when there was no welfare state.

[primeval patriot]

Care to point out our constitutional obligation to do so?

[curiosity]

Yes, Emma Lazarus was the socialist who wrote it. Look her up.

Needless to say, that poem is not part of the constitution or any founding document. Wisely, we disregarded it for a good part of our history.

[FreedomCalls]

Care to point out our constitutional obligation to do so?

He said "moral" obligation.

[primeval patriot]

By all means, open your wallet and begin paying for those poor huddled masses.

Please don't point a gun at me and claim your business needs the money.

[curiosity]

For the record:

Do you believe we have a moral obligation to let all the world's poor move here, and then to pay for all the usual social services we give to poor people (like free education)?

[FreedomCalls]

But isn't that Bush's plan? We let in those what are willing to work, expel those who aren't. If you want in but don't want a guest worker visa and just want to come here and freeload, then you are not welcome. But if you are here to work legally and pay all your taxes, then come on in and leave when you are done.

[primeval patriot]

Take your complaint up with the administration.

[Fatalis]

But isn't that Bush's plan? We let in those what are willing to work, expel those who aren't.

LOL! It would be a more convincing plan if the President actually expelled all of the illegal aliens who've not only been apprehended, but who have also lost their deportation hearings. More than 200,000 of them have absconded during the President's first term.

[janetgreen]

How do you get that they receive their food, housing and medical care at the taxpayer's expense? The ones I know purchase all that themselves.

The ones you know must not have heard about California, where they get everything free, at our expense.

[Penner]

One week after being narrowly returned to office, the president has reneged on that pledge. Bush has dispatched Secretary of State Colin Powell to Mexico City to open discussions with the Mexican government about the size and scope of amnesty for illegal immigrants and for a massive new guest worker program.

I'm glad he has his priorities straight.

[janetgreen]

That's a poem written by a socialist, you know, at a time when there was no welfare state.

The illegal alien apologists here don't realize that fact. Thanks for posting it.

[Joe Hadenuf]

How do you get that they receive their food, housing and medical care at the taxpayer's expense?

For those difficult questions, try calling 1-800 IAM-STUPID

[winker]

Don't forget this either the children born in these families are automatically citizens and have full rights and priveleges. Taxpayers will also pick up this tab aswell for this outrage "Where is the outrage NOW!"

[Poohbah]

If you think that hiring illegal aliens is akin to legal gun ownership, you again display your facility with logic. Bringing suits against people who violate the law is not harassment. IT the job of a U.S. Attorney.

And Janet Reno had US Attorneys zealously bring zero-chance-of-conviction cases against firearms dealers for the slightest technical violations of federal law. Guess what? Bringing many cases before the court that have zero chance of winning gets me and thee sanctioned. You wish to reward behavior that gets other attorneys disbarred.

BTW...after the second or third time through the process, the defendant will have an extraordinarily good case against the federal government for harrassment, and the judge will likely sanction the US government for bringing the cases--said sanctions consisting of paying the defendant's legal fees. That's what wound up happening to Reno's effort, and it's what killed it.

And you point back twenty years for some possible evidence. You cannot extrapolate what a jury would do today based on what happened two decades ago.

Actually, you can. Among other things, there are jury consultants who poll the public about attitudes towards specific laws and the likelihood of generating convictions in cases pertaining to those laws.

[curiosity]

But isn't that Bush's plan? We let in those what are willing to work, expel those who aren't.

First, I don't see anything in Bush's plan calling for the expulsion of those who don't work.

Second, just because a man works doesn't mean he isn't a drag on society. The working poor in this coutnry are in fact a net fiscal drain. They pay very little in the way of taxes thanks to our progressive tax code, yet they consume more in government services. Importing more poor people, therefore, makes no sense.

And please spare me the idiotic claim that a eugenics policy would follow from my argument. You can be against importing more poor people while at the same time favor helping poor people who are US citizens.

If you want in but don't want a guest worker visa and just want to come here and freeload, then you are not welcome. But if you are here to work legally and pay all your taxes, then come on in and leave when you are done.

The working poor do freeload, even if they work hard. That's why they vote for Democrats in droves.

[FreedomCalls]

First, I don't see anything in Bush's plan calling for the expulsion of those who don't work.

President Bush Proposes New Temporary Worker Program

Participants who do not remain employed, who do not follow the rules of the program, or who break the law will not be eligible for continued participation and will be required to return to their home.

[curiosity]

Participants who do not remain employed, who do not follow the rules of the program, or who break the law will not be eligible for continued participation and will be required to return to their home.

Oh yes, and they'll just meekly go home when they can't legally stay anymore.

Get real. If people without legal status are unwilling to leave now, what makes you think they'll be willing to leave after this quasi-amensty passes?

[curiosity]

Since you haven't addressed my other points, about how working poor immigrants are a net drain, I'll assume you conceeded it.