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Snubbed churchgoers make selves heard on every corner (of Denver "Holiday" parade)
Denver News ^ | Dec 4 04 | Montero and Sheeler

Posted on 12/04/2004 9:59:56 PM PST by churchillbuff

Bruce Bain doesn't attend church regularly, but nothing was going to keep him from showing up on the corner of 17th Street and Tremont Place on Friday night.

"How can you have the Parade of Lights without the 'light of the world'?" he asked. "Christmas is a religious holiday."

So the 56-year-old Englewood man joined hundreds of Christmas carolers from metro-area churches and sang along the Parade of Lights route. They sang on 15th Street. They sang at Court Place. And they sang at Colfax Avenue and Bannock Street.

What they didn't do was raise hell.

Yes, it was a protest of sorts - if you count that five of the six songs in the 2,500 caroling pamphlets given out heralded the birth of Jesus. See, Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, upon hearing the parade wouldn't allow its religious-themed float this year, decided it would rally carolers and sing along the route beforehand.For its part, the parade started in 1974 as a way to replace Denver's traditional Saturday morning Santa Claus Parade that ended in the 1960s. The Parade Of Lights entry rules evolved during the past decade to reject religious-themed floats in favor of more secular symbols such as snowmen and gingerbread houses.

Pastor George Morrison - whose church has 4,000 members - said he was not even allowed to have a sign that read "Merry Christmas."

Rhoda Schultz, one of the caroling organizers, didn't know what to expect as people began to show up shortly after 6:30 p.m. She urged everyone to be respectful. She asked that they stop singing 10 minutes before the parade started at 8 p.m. so as not to divert attention away from the parade.

"OK, so we're not going to get a float," she said. "So let's get together anyway and carol."

The leader of Faith Bible Chapel's choir then stood on the steps of Republic Plaza and tried to marshal the caroling forces.

"OK, how many are ready to go?" she asked.

A few scattered hands went up. Finally, a group of about 20 were corralled, and with their song sheets, scarves and a few signs, they headed down Tremont Place.As the hour before the parade marched on, more groups of 20 or 30 went forth, singing. By the time Schultz's 10-minute rule arrived, about 500 were singing at various downtown street corners.

Along the parade route, the caroling groups were greeted with some applause. Some watched impassively. Some merchants zipped past them selling light sticks and foam Christmas-tree hats. One person walked by and asked, "Are these the Jesus people?"

Carly MacGill, who was with her 3-year-old daughter, stood on an icy curb as the first group moved slowly by. They were just starting Joy to the World when MacGill yelled, "Merry Christmas! God bless!"

Laura Ranger, who was bundled up in a red jacket and wore a Santa hat, said she wanted to sing because she was simply tired of feeling like Christianity was being excluded from the Parade of Lights.

She wore a sign on her back that read, "Say it loud and proud - Merry Christmas.

"It took me a few seconds to make the sign, but they were important seconds," Ranger, 31, said. "I needed to be out here to show my support."

Mary Beth Brugler, a 53-year-old from Arvada and a member of Faith Bible Chapel, showed her support by brewing 12 gallons of hot chocolate.

Another person brought an additional three gallons.

It was all gone in an hour.

"We pretty much covered everyone," Brugler said, adding that the batch she made consisted of "just the right amount of chocolate."

The Parade of Lights, sponsored by the Downtown Partnership, issued a statement Friday regarding the carolers.

Jim Basey, president of the partnership, said it stands by its policy of not allowing religious or political messages in the parade. He also said that despite last-minute lobbying by City Council members for a compromise, parade organizers said they would wait until next year to evaluate their policies.

But this year, well, rules are rules.

"We have no objections to Pastor (George) Morrison's plan to walk along the parade crowd, pass hot chocolate and sing Christmas carols," the statement said. "Please know that there are no policies for the Parade of Lights prohibiting Christmas songs or parade participants saying 'Merry Christmas,' 'Happy Hanukkah' or other holiday greetings. That is part of the holiday tradition."

Heard downtown

Friday night, carolers organized by Faith Bible Chapel blanketed portions of the Parade of Lights route with traditional Christmas songs including:

• Joy to the World

• Silent Night

• Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

• The First Noel

• Angels We Have Heard on High

• We Wish You A Merry Christmas

• Ten minutes before the parade began, the carolers ended with Silent Night.


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To: churchillbuff
Pastor George Morrison - whose church has 4,000 members - said he was not even allowed to have a sign that read "Merry Christmas."

Ominous.

81 posted on 12/05/2004 2:24:33 PM PST by Old Phone Man
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To: devolve
I'm with you. Say Merry Christmas to everyone. Stick it to the man.


82 posted on 12/05/2004 2:37:39 PM PST by rcocean
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To: iconoclast
That's because it's non existant, other than in the minds of a few Jewobsessives (not necessarily devolve) on FR. Let me point out a few things about the two "incidents".

A private Jewish community group invited the Mayor to a Hanukkah lighting at a Jewish community center on private property. This did, in fact, get a handful of posters bent way out of shape.

IMO the mayor made an extremely stupid decision banning the Merry Christmas lights next year, which he fortunately changed.

Regarding the public celebration, it's publicly funded and takes place on public property.

It includes Merry Christmas in lights and a Christmas tree.

It includes a creche.

According to the city employee responsible for it, it bans the inclusion of a Menorah or symbols of any other religion from the celebration.

The idea that Denver is somehow favoring Judaism over Christianity is ludicrous.

83 posted on 12/05/2004 2:41:07 PM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: FarRightTexasDude
Hey Jim, what are you going to say to God the day you stand before him?

Well, we know he'll be on his knees. We know he'll acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord of all. What he comes up with after that, who knows, but it will be very very sad if he doesn't adopt a significantly new attitude between now and then.

MM

84 posted on 12/05/2004 2:43:54 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: Old Phone Man; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik


"Pastor George Morrison - whose church has 4,000 members - said he was not even allowed to have a sign that read "Merry Christmas."

Thanks for posting that -

Some people here on FR refuse to search for that current FR thread that links the article which details your just posted comment and much more :

I take people like the Mayor of Denver on a case by case basis.


There is not denying he banned Christians singing Christmas Carols in that parade and any signs or banners that read "MERRY CHRISTMAS" and refused a permit to that Christian church.


I don't care if he a Hindu or a Martian or an athesist.


He is a bigoted piece of garbage.

He wilfully discrimated against Christians.

He is not "my friend".





85 posted on 12/05/2004 2:50:26 PM PST by devolve (http://00access.tripod.com/GreenGrass.html http://00access.tripod.com/CountryRoads.html)
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To: devolve
bump!!

86 posted on 12/05/2004 3:06:52 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: churchillbuff
No Santa, No Peace
87 posted on 12/05/2004 3:29:39 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ( ----- HERTZ: We're #1 ----- AVIS: We're #2 We Try Harder ----- CBS: We're #3 We LIE Harder)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

Merry Christmas

Beware, the secular humanists are in places where you least expect them to be.

88 posted on 12/05/2004 4:32:18 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: churchillbuff

I would have filed a lawsuit that would have made the leftists breathless.


89 posted on 12/05/2004 5:04:10 PM PST by mlmr (Rubbing it in Leftist faces since 1994)
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To: maine-iac7
I sure hope the ACLU does not find out about our school. The day before Christmas break the entire school (1000) strong have a sing-a-long. We sing everything from Rocking Round the Christmas tree to Silent Night.

Here is the kicker, I teach in NJ.

90 posted on 12/05/2004 5:11:24 PM PST by mware
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To: mware

double fantastic!


91 posted on 12/05/2004 5:25:53 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Liz

How does the denominational map show who is celebrating Christmas? How are you relating denominations to political viewpoints? How is an evangelical defined?


92 posted on 12/05/2004 5:26:42 PM PST by dangus
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To: churchillbuff

Obviously the city is afraid of ACLU law suits. The ACLU is a danger to the Republic and to Christians. They became involved in an idiotic law suit vs. our town concerning the town symbol that they didn't like. It cost the city $50K to settle and they had to change the city's symbol too. The liberal clintinoid judges in Denver sided with the ACLU. The ACLU deserves to be stamped out!


93 posted on 12/05/2004 5:35:40 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: devolve; Old Phone Man; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Salem; F15Eagle
It's probably here on FR somewhere, but I heard that Gov. Arnold Swartzenegger of California mandated that the 'Holiday Tree' be RENAMED back to the CHRISTMAS TREE.

Political correctness had taken hold so deep in California they could no longer call a "Christmas" tree a Christmas tree.

94 posted on 12/05/2004 5:40:13 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's not quite time to rest - John Kerry is still out there (and so is Hillary))
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To: churchillbuff

"We have no objections to Pastor (George) Morrison's plan to walk along the parade crowd, pass hot chocolate and sing Christmas carols," the statement said. "Please know that there are no policies for the Parade of Lights prohibiting Christmas songs or parade participants saying 'Merry Christmas,' 'Happy Hanukkah' or other holiday greetings. That is part of the holiday tradition."

Just don't ask to be a included in the parade with your silly Christmas traditions.


95 posted on 12/05/2004 6:00:03 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Happy2BMe

Merry Christmas to you too FRiend!!!!


96 posted on 12/05/2004 6:06:51 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Happy2BMe

Unbelievable...


97 posted on 12/05/2004 6:07:22 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: Happy2BMe
In the state capital we have terminated that nonsense:

Per Arnold, the "holiday" tree is now a "Christmas Tree"

98 posted on 12/05/2004 6:13:51 PM PST by rcocean
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To: Bandaneira

...and He shall reign for ever and ever.
Amen and Hallelujah!


99 posted on 12/05/2004 6:20:43 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Non nobis, Domine, sed nomine tuo da gratia.)
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To: Bandaneira

...and He shall reign for ever and ever.
Amen and Hallelujah!


100 posted on 12/05/2004 6:22:49 PM PST by ArmyTeach (Non nobis, Domine, sed nomine tuo da gratia.)
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