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Kerry Would Beat (Jeb) Bush In 2008
CPOD ^ | Dec 20, 2004

Posted on 12/20/2004 8:10:43 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Massachusetts senator John Kerry could win the presidency in 2008, according to a poll by Opinion Dynamics released by Fox News. 45 per cent of respondents would vote for the 2004 Democratic nominee in a head-to-head contest against Republican Florida governor Jeb Bush.

In other prospective elections, New York senator and former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton leads three Republicans: Florida’s Bush, Tennessee senator Bill Frist and New York governor George Pataki.

Rodham Clinton was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 2000, defeating Republican Rick Lazio by 12 per cent. She ruled out a presidential bid in 2004.

Other high-profile Republicans who may run for office in 2008—such as former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona senator John McCain—were not included in the survey. Current president George W. Bush is constitutionally barred from seeking a third term in office.

Polling Data

Thinking ahead to the next presidential election, if the 2008 presidential election were held today and the candidates were (insert choices here), for whom would you vote?

John Kerry (D) 45% - 37% Jeb Bush (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 40% - 33% Bill Frist (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 41% - 35% George Pataki (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 46% - 35% Jeb Bush (R)


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008
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1 posted on 12/20/2004 8:10:43 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I believe Fox's tracking poll was the only one that had Kerry beating Bush this time. They are even worse then Zogby.


2 posted on 12/20/2004 8:11:49 AM PST by KJacob (Faith is not believing God can. It is knowing God will.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Here we go with polls again. I guess we still haven't learned our lesson about Americans. And this is so meaningless, it's meaningless. :)


3 posted on 12/20/2004 8:12:31 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So basically any candidate the left runs in 2008 wins?

More koolaid please!

4 posted on 12/20/2004 8:13:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I was not aware that Jeb Bush was going to be running for President in 2008. Besides...a lot can happen in four years, before the next Presidential Election, for instance, John Kerry might have an allergic reaction to Botox...then where would he be????


5 posted on 12/20/2004 8:13:50 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Merry "Christ"mas Liberals!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I would NOT vote for Jeb (nepotism) or Pataki (RINO).

Period.


6 posted on 12/20/2004 8:14:46 AM PST by soccer_linux_mozilla (I believe in the potential of Open Source software: Linux, Mozilla, Firefox, OpenOffice,etc)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
John Kerry (D) 45% - 37% Jeb Bush (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 40% - 33% Bill Frist (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 41% - 35% George Pataki (R)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) 46% - 35% Jeb Bush (R)

A big thanks to FOX News for figuring this out. Now the Republican Party can save all of its fundraising money for 2008 and use it to focus on the 2010 congressional elections.

7 posted on 12/20/2004 8:14:46 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
... but would Kerry win in a debate? ( /sarcasm )
8 posted on 12/20/2004 8:14:46 AM PST by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

One more thing, John Kerry would still not be able to carry Jesusland (Michael's Moore's word for those states that voted for Bush) in 2008.


9 posted on 12/20/2004 8:15:30 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Merry "Christ"mas Liberals!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Jeb's not running anyway.


10 posted on 12/20/2004 8:15:41 AM PST by Phocion
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I thought we were done with polls until at least January 20. Guess I was wrong.

And what the heck is this? Jeb has said he's not running in 2008. This is an even more meaningless poll.


11 posted on 12/20/2004 8:15:42 AM PST by Terpfen (Gore/Sharpton '08: it's Al-right!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

An 8% loss to Kerry. LoL!


12 posted on 12/20/2004 8:16:06 AM PST by demlosers
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Swiftvets won't let Kerry win. He's toast. And on-the-records made by Hillary are going to get in her way in 2008.


13 posted on 12/20/2004 8:16:21 AM PST by peacebaby (smoked and enhaled)
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To: KJacob
WHO THE HECK IS JEB BUSH? - some guy from the Beverly Hillbillies? (sarcasm)

I don't know why they do these polls. Yesterday they said that Hillary would trounce Senator Frist for President.

When one candidate who was either a first lady or a presidential candidate is pitted against someone relatively unknown outside of his (her) state, the unknown ALWAYS loses.

But neither candidate is unknown on election day, these polls are TOTALLY meaningless.

I'm now starting to think that they're being done to try to discourage top-tier Republicans from running. This is embarrassing.
14 posted on 12/20/2004 8:16:59 AM PST by BobL
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla
I would NOT vote for Jeb (nepotism)

How would that be nepotism? If he won the primaries it would be because he got more delegates not because his last name is Bush. I think it is all esoteric because he will not run.

15 posted on 12/20/2004 8:17:24 AM PST by KJacob (Faith is not believing God can. It is knowing God will.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

There is an assumption that these folks will not have passed on!


16 posted on 12/20/2004 8:17:57 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: peacebaby

And in 4 years that pukey horse face will get even uglier if you can imagine that...


17 posted on 12/20/2004 8:18:23 AM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
JFnK (sign the SF-180) wouldn't be running against Jeb.

He'd be running against the Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth.

Again.

18 posted on 12/20/2004 8:19:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

What does the general public know about ANY of those Republican "candidates"? John Kerry had a huge national campaign, and while no one knows what his policies are about, they at least know who he is.

Pollster: "Kerry or Frist?"

Pollee: (Thinking: I know who Kerry is, but what is a Frist?) "Kerry"

Well, here's to Kerry giving it another go.

APf


19 posted on 12/20/2004 8:20:11 AM PST by APFel (Humanity has a poor track record of predicting its own future.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

These are the same type of polls that had a "generic" Democrat beating George W. Bush earlier this year.
People are always going to pick the out of power party in these types of polls until actual lines are drawn and it is for real.


21 posted on 12/20/2004 8:20:19 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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To: BobL

Unless we know the makeup of the respondants to this (and all polls), this information is way less than worthless, but will be trumpeted as major news in the mainstream press. For instance, If you have 1000 respondants, and its not a 500/500 split, the information isn't a true representation of reality and is therefore worthless. But then again, the mainstream press hasnt been concerned with reality in a long time, only in foistering the support of a radical agenda on the rest of us.


22 posted on 12/20/2004 8:20:28 AM PST by timtoews5292004
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

By '08 all these losers are going to be miraculously transformed into BIG winners . . . Yeah, right. By next year I'm going to be 20 lbs. lighter and jogging 5 miles every day. Lots of wishful resolutions at this time of year.


23 posted on 12/20/2004 8:20:30 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Their women give good lamentation, maybe we can conquer them again sometime.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

We're doomed, doomed I tell ya!


24 posted on 12/20/2004 8:21:32 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Boycott Boycotts Warrior. If you aint buying call me!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
OH yeah! Rassmussen says Hillary cannot beat a "generic Republican" for 2008:

-snip-

If the next Presidential Election were held today, 46% of voters would vote for a generic Republican candidate over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 39% of voters would cast their ballot for Senator Clinton.

FR: Hillary Trails in Polls

25 posted on 12/20/2004 8:21:46 AM PST by demlosers
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of course Kerry is up over Jeb in polls taken right now--people outside of Florida know little about Jeb Bush except who his family is. Kerry just ran for president, so on name and face recognition alone he has an advantage over Jeb, who hasn't been trying to get noticed around the nation. What a silly poll.


26 posted on 12/20/2004 8:21:46 AM PST by susiek
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It's called name recognition and it's far too early to do these polls. They first should have asked, 'Do you know Jeb Bush and if so...'.
27 posted on 12/20/2004 8:22:33 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Just look at the background of leading CPOD pollsters, based in Canada, and can anyone doubt their objectivity?:)

CPOD

28 posted on 12/20/2004 8:23:30 AM PST by xJones
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To: KJacob

I was listening on the radio and there was a story about how much people donated to what party. I believe something like 60% of fox news people donated to democrats.

These fluff polls are to unite the hard core and keep them from running off to join other parties.

(seriously the Green party should be recruiting overtime)


29 posted on 12/20/2004 8:24:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: susiek
"What a silly poll."

You said it better than me.

What Jeb and the Republicans have to do is respond pro-actively and say just what you said.

The won't, but they should.
30 posted on 12/20/2004 8:24:19 AM PST by BobL
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

What about Hillary against Condi???


31 posted on 12/20/2004 8:25:31 AM PST by sandbar
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Ahem
Please tell which of the 51% that voted for Bush in 2004 is going to vote for these DEM losers in 2008

The only hope the dems have is they refine their fraud techniques and that the colleges turn out enough new brain washed dumb downed boobs

Or that Hillary goes far enough to the right to DUPE some CC types


32 posted on 12/20/2004 8:26:01 AM PST by uncbob
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To: BobL

I agree. It is way too early for this.

I am sure Al Gore would have been way ahead of GWB in a 1996 poll. And, he lost.


34 posted on 12/20/2004 8:26:41 AM PST by Gaetano
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To: writer33

The OD poll is done by a big time leftist by what I understand.


35 posted on 12/20/2004 8:27:13 AM PST by David1
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To: Andy from Beaverton

Wasn't there a point either in late 1999 or early 2000 where Bush had a huge lead?


36 posted on 12/20/2004 8:27:19 AM PST by KJacob (Faith is not believing God can. It is knowing God will.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The chances that Kerry could win the nomination in 2008 if Hillary wants it are pretty remote. In any case, it is very rare for a party to renominate someone who lost before...the only 20th-century cases for the Democrats are William Jennings Bryan and Adlai Stevenson.

Since the Civil War, the only men to be nominated and win after losing a previous election are Grover Cleveland and Richard Nixon--and Cleveland is a special case since he was a former President who had been defeated in a close election while getting more popular votes than the winner.

Kerry might want to encourage speculation about a possible second try to enhance his standing in the party, and to discourage Teresa from thinking of dumping him. If he were to win in 2008, he would be the third-oldest President ever at his inauguration (after Reagan and William Henry Harrison).

37 posted on 12/20/2004 8:27:44 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This is nonsense. Hillary will never win even against the physically unattractive McCain. Hillary physically looks like a well fed Teletubby. Appearence is so important.

Men will never let Hillary win or anyone for that matter within the next 100 years. Also men loving hetero women would not let this happen. A Teletubby as president of a superpower.. unlikely.


38 posted on 12/20/2004 8:28:39 AM PST by Idisarthur
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The results here aren't necessarily popularity, but more based on name recognition. John Kerry just spent two years building up great name recognition, and Hillary has more than she could ever want. Bill Frist and George Pataki are still only well known names to political junkies and the people they represent in Tennessee and New York. And, I think the fact that, other than the residents of Florida, the most people know about Jeb Bush is who his father and brother are, that wouldn't shouldn't be taken as gospel either. Lots of flaws with these polls. I'd actually be interested in seeing "generic Republican" vs. "generic Democrat" right now.


39 posted on 12/20/2004 8:29:14 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
J f'n Kerry was the worst presidential candidate this country has ever ran. Just my oppinion. And with how far he got thats gotta tell ya something.
40 posted on 12/20/2004 8:29:37 AM PST by 12.7mm
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To: gohot
Voting for two people from the same family is too close to forming a legacy - electing three is definitely setting up a dictatorship. (a monarchy is also a dictatorship)

Get real. The key word is vote. We vote for our leaders and if the majority voted for Jeb it would not be a monarchy or a dictatorship. You see we would still have three branches of government.

41 posted on 12/20/2004 8:29:41 AM PST by KJacob (Faith is not believing God can. It is knowing God will.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I just conducted an informal poll in my household and I will share the results here:

Donald Duck(Disney) 100% - John Kerry(Commie) 0%
Mickey Mouse(Disney) 100% - Hillary Klinton(Commie) 0%
Some shmoe chosen at random 100% - Hillary Klinton(Commie) 0%

42 posted on 12/20/2004 8:29:48 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Other high-profile Republicans who may run for office in 2008—such as former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona senator John McCain—were not included in the survey.

Why? Were the pollsters afraid of seeing Hillary or Kerry 20 points behind "high profile" Republicans?

43 posted on 12/20/2004 8:30:59 AM PST by tellw
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

why would we want a 3rd bush?

this country rebelled against england to rid itself of royalty .

as it is, 2 bushes and 2 clintons will amount to 28 years of my life.


44 posted on 12/20/2004 8:31:33 AM PST by ken21 (kerrycide = running 4 president on treasonous service in vietnam)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

As a resident of Florida, Jeb has been a great governor and, in all honesty, would have been a better President than Dubya IMO.


45 posted on 12/20/2004 8:33:10 AM PST by mike182d
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To: KJacob
"Wasn't there a point either in late 1999 or early 2000 where Bush had a huge lead?"

There was, but keep in mind that both had very high name recognition, in fact, I would bet that many of the GWB supporters back then thought it was a return to Bush-41 (the clean government part of 41, that is) that was being discussed (or at least that's what they thought W bring).

Bill Clinton was about number 10 in the fall in 1991 - because no one heard of him. Even after he picked up steam, Bush-41 held huge leads on him in early 1992. Because he still was unknown outside of Democratic circles. That always changes before an election.
46 posted on 12/20/2004 8:33:13 AM PST by BobL
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Asking how two very famous names will run against three people who are probably unknown to most of the respondents (except that Jeb Bush has a recognizable last name) makes little sense. Hillary Clinton has enormous name recognition. John Kerry has had enormous publicity from the MSM for the past year. Pataki is known only in New York. Most people never heard of Frist, who keeps a low profile. Jeb Bush is at most a face and a name.

In other words, this is completely meaningless.

What will count is what people learn when some candidate actually runs. For instance, Pataki is a do-nothing governor, has made New York into an economic disaster area even worse than Mario Cuomo left it, and favors partial-birth abortion. In other words, the more they learn about Pataki, the less they will like him.

Frist would do better, but doesn't have the guts or the fire to win.

Jeb Bush would be a magnificent candidate. But will people vote for a third man from the same family?


47 posted on 12/20/2004 8:33:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

CAN I VOTE FOR NO POLLS TILL 2005 PLEASE?!!!


48 posted on 12/20/2004 8:34:49 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: David1

It's hard to find any poll that isn't leftist until the day before Election Day. Then they've got to protect their reputation.


49 posted on 12/20/2004 8:34:59 AM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The latest polls show the child of Jenna Bush beating the child of Chelsea Clinton by 63% to 37% if the 2052 Presidential election were held today.


50 posted on 12/20/2004 8:35:15 AM PST by marvlus
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