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Pentagon Said to Offer Cuts in the Billions
The New York Times ^ | 12/30/04 | Eric Schmitt

Posted on 12/29/2004 9:49:50 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 - The Pentagon plans to retire one of the Navy's 12 aircraft carriers, buy fewer amphibious landing ships for the Marine Corps and delay the development of a costly Army combat system of high-tech arms as part of $60 billion in proposed cuts over the next six years, Congressional and military officials said Wednesday.

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KEYWORDS: budget; defense; defensecuts; dod; military; pentagon
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Yeah right, as if any Congressmen, well....Republican at least.... would vote to cut defense in time of war.
1 posted on 12/29/2004 9:49:51 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Someone better tell Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan that its time to get out their checkbooks and start footing the bill for their protection.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 9:53:27 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: bahblahbah

$60 billion out of $2520 billion (over the next six years at the current rate) probably won't cripple our military.....


3 posted on 12/29/2004 9:59:32 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: bahblahbah

We need more aircraft carriers not fewer. Stoopid.

Why not just send the chinese an invitation....


4 posted on 12/29/2004 10:06:43 PM PST by fooman ((Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation))
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To: 1LongTimeLurker
The proposed reductions, the details of which are still being fine-tuned and which would require Congressional approval, result from White House orders to all federal agencies to cut their spending requests for the 2006 fiscal year budgets, which will be submitted to lawmakers early next year.

This went out to all the Depts. DoD is just answering the mail. I also seriously doubt in the end there will be military infrastructure or capitol investment cuts. Clinton allowed too much of this and we are still catching up.

The article does say that the Navy would cut the John F. Kennedy if it had to cut a carrier. Actually I think she's long past her prime and should be replaced. I never flew off her but I've heard many stories about how difficult and expensive she has been to maintain.

5 posted on 12/29/2004 10:12:53 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker


December 30, 2004

Pentagon Said to Offer Cuts in the Billions

By ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 - The Pentagon plans to retire one of the Navy's 12 aircraft carriers, buy fewer amphibious landing ships for the Marine Corps and delay the development of a costly Army combat system of high-tech arms as part of $60 billion in proposed cuts over the next six years, Congressional and military officials said Wednesday.

The proposed reductions, the details of which are still being fine-tuned and which would require Congressional approval, result from White House orders to all federal agencies to cut their spending requests for the 2006 fiscal year budgets, which will be submitted to lawmakers early next year.

Since the November elections, the White House has been under growing pressure to offset mounting deficits and at the same time pay for the unexpectedly high costs of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, which combined now amount to more than $5 billion a month.

The proposed Pentagon cuts, which include sharply reducing the program for the Air Force's F/A-22 fighter and delaying the purchase of a new Navy destroyer, would for the first time since the Sept. 11 attacks slow the growth in Pentagon spending, which has risen 41 percent in that period, to about $420 billion this year. Military and Congressional officials said the Pentagon was looking to trim up to $10 billion in the 2006 budget alone.

The budget-cutting is likely to foreshadow additional reductions of weapons designed in the cold war and the revamping of America's arsenal as the Pentagon prepares for its quadrennial review of military weapons and equipment to address current and long-term security threats, including the insurgency in Iraq and a possibly resurgent China.

"The services are making decisions about where to make their investments," said a Pentagon spokesman, Eric Ruff, who declined to comment on specific proposed cuts. "As we look ahead to the challenges of the 21st century, it's fair that we look at programs that began two or three decades ago."

One of the winners in this round of budget work is likely to be the Army, some military budget analysts and Pentagon officials said. While the other armed services have been forced to scale back their weapons modernization plans, the Army is spending billions of dollars a year to add as many as 15 brigades in the next several years.

"It doesn't matter if you can win a war 20 years from now if we lose the global war on terror next year," said one military official, who favors increasing spending for the Army to help battle the Iraq insurgency but spoke on condition of anonymity because the details of the budget are not complete.

When Donald H. Rumsfeld became defense secretary in 2001, he took aim at costly weapons systems that he and his top aides said were relics of the cold war. Since then, the Army has canceled the $11 billion Crusader artillery system and the $38 billion Comanche reconnaissance helicopter program.

But the armed services have until now resisted deeper cuts and have been buoyed by big increases in military spending since Sept. 11.

Mounting deficits and the growing cost of keeping more than 150,000 American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq the past year have forced the White House and the Pentagon to look at cuts. The war costs have so far been paid by supplemental appropriations, and the Pentagon is preparing another such request of about $80 billion early next year.

"The guidance the secretary is receiving is for the department to bear its share of cuts necessary to help work down deficits, and at the same time have adequate funds for the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to refurbish the Army," said Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, who is chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Mr. Warner said in a telephone interview that he had a long conversation about the budget with Mr. Rumsfeld last week.

At a time when the Army and Marines are stretched thin, cutting force levels was out of the question, as was reducing operating costs.

The Pentagon's new weapons budget, now about $78 billion a year, became the immediate target, although much of the savings cannot be realized for several years because of how the programs' development and production costs are spread out.

"These are probably prudent steps to take," said Steven M. Kosiak, director of budget studies at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a research group here. "One question, though, is how much in savings does that get you right away?"

Among the proposed cuts, the Navy takes some of the most prominent hits. This is in large part, Navy officials and independent budget analysts said, because increased efficiencies in its operations under Adm. Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations, allow for reductions in forces and ships that do not jeopardize the service's missions.

Two military and Congressional officials who have been briefed on the proposed cuts spoke about them on condition of anonymity because the budget is not yet complete.

Under the proposal, the Navy would retire the carrier John F. Kennedy - one of the oldest carriers in the fleet, having first been deployed in 1968 - next year. The Kennedy, based in Mayport, Fla., recently completed a tour in the Persian Gulf, where its air wing was flying 60 missions a day, including flights to Iraq.

The Kennedy's retirement would, for the first time since the mid-1990's, reduce the size of the Navy's carrier fleet.

The proposal also calls for reducing the number of new LPD-17 San Antonio-class amphibious landing docks, which are designed to transport Marine assault vehicles, amphibious landing craft and Osprey aircraft, to trouble spots around the world. The Navy had originally planned to buy five of the ships over the next five years, at about $1.2 billion apiece. The vessels are built by Northrop Grumman in New Orleans.

Another major change would be to build fewer new Navy destroyers than planned over the next six years. A team of contractors, led by Northrop Grumman, is building the ships, currently called DD(X), at a cost of $1.2 billion to $1.4 billion per vessel, in Pascagoula, Miss., and in Bath, Me.

In addition, development of the Army's $120 billion Future Combat System would be delayed. The system is designed to link soldiers by computer with remotely piloted aircraft and combat vehicles.

6 posted on 12/29/2004 10:25:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

It is OK and preferred to post NY Times articles fully...


7 posted on 12/29/2004 10:26:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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The vessels are built by Northrop Grumman in New Orleans.

This must be why Senator Trent Lott was attacking the SECDEF.

8 posted on 12/29/2004 10:31:40 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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Looks that way alright!


9 posted on 12/29/2004 10:32:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Another major change would be to build fewer new Navy destroyers than planned over the next six years. A team of contractors, led by Northrop Grumman, is building the ships, currently called DD(X), at a cost of $1.2 billion to $1.4 billion per vessel, in Pascagoula, Miss., and in Bath, Me.

Now we know why Sen. Lott was piling on Secretary Rumsfeld.

10 posted on 12/29/2004 10:33:35 PM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: SubMareener

You are half right. Lott is from Miss. not Louisiana. But I do seem to remember a Senator from there also piling on.


11 posted on 12/29/2004 10:36:07 PM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: fooman
We need more aircraft carriers not fewer. Stoopid. Why not just send the chinese an invitation....

Yeah, but the Kennedy is not the one we need. Well past her prime.
12 posted on 12/29/2004 10:37:52 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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You are right, but last time I visited New Orleans, the folks at the Naval Facility were worried what would happen to their appropriations since Lott had been kicked out as Majority Leader. So I came to associate him with Louisiana as well.


13 posted on 12/29/2004 10:40:24 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Magnum44

I will never forget something that happened to me several years ago when I was in Mayport attending 2M school. (I got out of the Navy last year, going back to school now, hoping to go to law school when I graduate.)

I was staying in the barracks on TAD orders, after getting home late one night I encountered the SN who was living across the hall from me. He was absolutely reeking of JP-5, you could smell it on him from a hundred feet away.

He told me that there had a been a major fuel leak on the carrier and he had been assigned to clean it up.

What struck me about the situation was that they let him off the quarterdeck on the Kennedy while covered in JP-5 from head to toe. Kid was lucky someone didn't light up a smoke next to him, he'd probably have gone up like a roman candle.

I thought to myself, "What kind of jacked up command the Kennedy must be to allow a deck seaman off the boat soaking in jet fuel. Don't they have working showers?"

If I had been higher ranking (I was a third class then) I would have done everything I could to make sure that whoever let him off the boat like that ended up on report. As it was, I just told him that if he was smart, he'd go straight to his room and get in the shower.

Several weeks later the Kennedy went out to sea and failed their sea trials (as I understood, their boilers all quit working at the same time) and their CO, XO and Chief Engineer all lost their jobs. (And no doubt their careers ended pretty abruptly after that.)


14 posted on 12/29/2004 10:45:02 PM PST by rommy
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Something like was posted last night and got me to pondering. That article talked about reducing by a large number the plan for F-22s. Even though I'm exNavy, I have to say, I'd rather have one less carrier. They go for around 6 billion, without planes. That would buy a lot of F-22s. Of the 12 we have now, only two are deployed. 3 are at surge ready state, 1 is in basic training, and 6 are in maint or post deployment. So for all these carriers we actually only have 5. We need to do more to make them available. Let's keep them forward deployed or on deployment more. Go to a blue/gold crew system like the boomer subs use.
15 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:22 PM PST by ProudVet77 (MERRY CHRISTMAS, damn it!)
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I can relate to that. Most of us here knew weeks ago that the piling on Rumsfeld had more to do with protecting pork and the turf of liberal careerists in the CIA and the State Dept.
16 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:24 PM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

17 posted on 12/29/2004 10:46:36 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: Magnum44

I should note, I talked to a Chief I knew there about what had happened the next day and he told me soon after that pretty much every Seaman who lived off the ship who had been assigned to the clean up that night had also been allowed off the boat in much the same condition as the guy living across the hall from me. (He said that some of them had been stopped by various base security members who had related their conditions to their superiors.)


18 posted on 12/29/2004 10:48:32 PM PST by rommy
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We need more aircraft carriers not fewer.

12 is the magic number. More than that we cant afford. Less than that we cant meet commitments. So 12 is what we try to hold. If Kennedy gets retired (and she should be if only from a maintenance standpoint) she will be replaced by the George H W Bush (Fancy that - a Kennedy replaced by a Bush!) in a few years.

19 posted on 12/29/2004 10:50:00 PM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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For you trivia buffs. Does anyone know how many carriers we had at the start of WWII? I don't know. Just wondering.


20 posted on 12/29/2004 10:55:42 PM PST by need_a_screen_name
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