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Microsoft: Legit Windows or no updates
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Posted on 01/26/2005 1:59:43 PM PST by Happy2BMe

Aiming to crack down on counterfeit software, Microsoft plans later this year to require customers to verify that their copy of Windows is genuine before downloading security patches and other add-ons to the operating system.

Since last fall the company has been testing a tool that can check whether a particular version of Windows is legitimate, but until now the checks have been voluntary. Starting Feb. 7, the verification will be mandatory for many downloads for people in three countries: China, Norway and the Czech Republic.

In those countries, people whose copies are found not to be legitimate can get a discount on a genuine copy of Windows, though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

By the middle of this year, Microsoft will make the verification mandatory in all countries for both add-on features to Windows as well as for all OS updates, including security patches. Microsoft will continue to allow all people to get Windows updates by turning on the Automatic Update feature within Windows. By doing so, Microsoft hopes it has struck a balance between promoting security and ensuring that people buy genuine versions of Windows.

"We think that the best foundation for the most secure system is genuine software," said David Lazar, director of the Genuine Windows program at Microsoft. "We want to urge all of our customers to use genuine software. (At the same time), we want to make sure that we don't do anything to reduce the likelihood that a user will keep their system up to date."

The program, known as Windows Genuine Advantage, also offers perks to those who verify their copy of Windows. Those who do can get free software as well as discounts on other Microsoft products and services. Microsoft is upping the ante a bit, adding some additional discounts on MSN Games as well as on the company's recently announced Outlook Live subscription service to the existing list of benefits, which includes free access to the company's Photo Story 3 program.

Customers do appear to be interested in double-checking the status of their operating system. Some 8 million people have been asked to participate in the program since testing began, and more than 5 million have taken part.

And those numbers have come with very little recruiting on the part of Microsoft, Lazar said.

"More and more we will be marketing the offers to broaden the participation," he said. "People do like free stuff."

Piracy is a major problem for Microsoft and others in the software industry. One software industry study estimated that more than

a third of software is pirated, costing the industry $29 billion a year. Microsoft won't put an exact figure on its losses, but said it is certainly in the billions over the past 10 years.

The validation effort is just part of Microsoft's threefold program, which focuses on educating users, engineering products in ways that minimize piracy, and enforcement through the legal system.

As for the added security risk, Directions on Microsoft analyst Michael Cherry said that people are putting too much of the blame on the software maker.

Cherry said it is not necessarily Microsoft's responsibility to protect people who aren't paying the company for its products. He likened the situation to buying a fake Rolex and then expecting warranty service if the product breaks.

The problem with that analogy, Cherry acknowledged, is that a broken Rolex doesn't put other watch owners at risk, whereas vulnerable computers connected to the Internet threaten all PC users. However, Cherry said that many of the computers that are at risk are using genuine, but older versions of Windows.

"There's a growing chance that the people whose machines are being taken over are running older systems which aren't really securable," he said.

Cherry said he thinks the company is acting appropriately, noting that making sure people are running genuine Windows is important for all customers.

"I think they are entitled to do this, and I think it is in customers' best interest to know that they have a genuine version of the software," he said. Counterfeit copies could contain their own bugs or viruses, and there is no way to guarantee that security patches will work, even if the user can download them, he said.

While Microsoft is the obvious beneficiary if piracy rates go down, Cherry said programs like Genuine Advantage also help level the playing field for smaller computer builders who play by the rules and find themselves undercut by dealers offering PCs with bogus copies of Windows.

"Those are the people I hope the program is helping," Cherry said.


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I still say Mico$oft's piracy headaches would be far less pervasive and their fortunes would triple in a week if they brought down the price of their OS to less than $50.
1 posted on 01/26/2005 1:59:45 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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No big deal. It'll take 2 weeks and the crackers will have a patch.

and I would also guess this will not apply to corporate volume-license installations, like all the pirates use anyways.

Or, if you just cant download them, updates will become like "warez"

yay -- go microsoft.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 2:06:08 PM PST by inn8
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To: Happy2BMe

Further evidence that Microsoft just WANTS to lose its dominance in the marketplace. The Chinese may use counterfeit copies, but they are using the Microsoft products. That Microsoft is doing this means that Microsoft will be replaced by Linux in a lot of boxes there. I don't mean to say they can't assert their property rights any way they see fit, but I can certainly understand why the average Chinese guy operating a basement PC room doesn't wanna pay $200 for a single box's Microsoft commercial use "license."

Until they figure out a better way to move product (perhaps lowering their licensing fees in growing markets) Microsoft is just pushing people into Papa Linus's waiting arms. Communists ought to be predisposed to prefer communitarianism anyway.


3 posted on 01/26/2005 2:06:46 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Microsoft ping!


4 posted on 01/26/2005 2:08:13 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: inn8
No big deal. It'll take 2 weeks and the crackers will have a patch.


Yep.


Real men don't whine.

5 posted on 01/26/2005 2:09:00 PM PST by rdb3 (The wife asked how I slept last night. I said, "How do I know? I was asleep!")
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To: Happy2BMe
In those countries, people whose copies are found not to be legitimate can get a discount on a genuine copy of Windows, though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

I say if it's good for prescription drugs, then it's gotta be good for software! I call for the re-importation of Windoze from the $10 country!

6 posted on 01/26/2005 2:09:20 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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I don't mind the system checking to see that I have paid for my operating system. But I will be extremely annoyed if I have to go fish out the Windows installation CD every time I update, the way they make you do with MS Office.

Also, what will this do to their highly vaunted automatic updates? If they can do this seamlessly, fine. If you have to jump through hoops every time you update, a lot of people will be angry, including me.


7 posted on 01/26/2005 2:09:49 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

Why isn't there a "means test" price for software in the USofA?

8 posted on 01/26/2005 2:10:39 PM PST by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: LibertarianInExile; inn8
All this pain could easily be avoided and the product itself would be far better off by simply bringing the cost down so that the average person on the street would participate.

I even dare say we would see a more robust, compatible, and yes more secure and virus-resistent OS if Micro$oft would just get past that one big hurdle.

9 posted on 01/26/2005 2:10:41 PM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything If the imams can't control it - they will kill it.)
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So the non-authentic systems would be free to continue to spur viruses that predominantly attack Windows users who don't know enough about how to maintain their own machine.

Geez, this is why folks should buy a Mac.


10 posted on 01/26/2005 2:10:58 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Happy2BMe

11 posted on 01/26/2005 2:12:46 PM PST by blues_guitarist (Black conservatives arise!)
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I don't mind the system checking to see that I have paid for my operating system. But I will be extremely annoyed if I have to go fish out the Windows installation CD every time I update, the way they make you do with MS Office.

Have you ever had to reinstall a M$ product? You get two installs, after that, you have to call Microsoft and explain to them why you are re-installing the software and beg their permission so that they will give you a new key.

I had FrontPage installed on two machines, both of which lost their hard drives in the same year, after that I upgraded both machines. That meant four phone calls to Microsoft, each time having to answer a series of questions from a suspicious customer services rep about why I need to keep installing MY software that I PAID FOR!!!

Apple just came out with a new iWorks package containing a word processor and presentation package. I might finally be able to dump the last of my Microsoft software now.

12 posted on 01/26/2005 2:13:44 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Happy2BMe

*yawn*

(Mepis Linux user)


13 posted on 01/26/2005 2:16:01 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Why do I carry a .45? Because they don't make a .46!)
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So the non-authentic systems would be free to continue to spur viruses that predominantly attack Windows users who don't know enough about how to maintain their own machine.

Good point. But not sure how me buying a Mac fixes the unpatched-windows masses out there in the ROW.

14 posted on 01/26/2005 2:16:09 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Good point. But not sure how me buying a Mac fixes the unpatched-windows masses out there in the ROW.

If you have a Mac you no longer have to worry about viruses. There aren't any for the Mac.

15 posted on 01/26/2005 2:18:41 PM PST by 1LongTimeLurker
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To: Happy2BMe

We're already verifying the XP key is legit with the activation scheme, now this? I can understand Microsoft wanting to protect their copyright but at the same time if they start becoming too draconian and making things inconvenient all they'll do is push more people to their competitors.


16 posted on 01/26/2005 2:19:27 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: 1LongTimeLurker

Nice answer. Wrong question.

I was asking how you or I getting a Mac reduces the headache of unpatched-windoze boxes out there that drag down the net with DOS attacks, spam, etc.

You're correct that Microsoft's program here will do nothing but encourage more Chinese pirate machines to stay unpatched. Buying Macs doesn't fix that.


17 posted on 01/26/2005 2:22:12 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Happy2BMe
Don't steal my stuff, or I may get naked.
18 posted on 01/26/2005 2:22:33 PM PST by fo0hzy
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To: sam_paine

Apple's are still too expensive for a lot of consumers.


19 posted on 01/26/2005 2:22:36 PM PST by Tacos
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To: Happy2BMe
My next machine will probably be the fastest Mac I can get... Not that new cheap Mac that just came out... I have never used Mac so this could be an adventure...
20 posted on 01/26/2005 2:22:40 PM PST by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com/)
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