Skip to comments.Senate in Session Sunday 4:30 PM (Senate Passes Schiavo Law)
Posted on 03/20/2005 1:34:36 PM PST by FoxPro
I am tired of some of you Conservatives lambasting this decision by the GOP to save her life. If she is allowed to die, a precedent of euthensia and eventually eugenics will be set. Do we want to turn into the Nazis? We would not let a dog starve to death, why would we let a human being?
Who are you directing this to? Me? Evidently you haven't read my posts. I am far from lambasting the decision by the GOP to save her life. I only wish I was in a position to remove her from the prison she is currently in. I do NOT want Terri to die. I offered my mass and Communion this morning for her to LIVE. L-I-V-E! Of COURSE we do NOT want to turn into the Nazis. That's what is happening now. That's how Hitler operated.
No, we would not let a dog starve to death and we do not want this young woman to starve to death either. We are doing everything we can by writing, calling, sending emails etc. to save her life.
Did you post this to the wrong person? Better check to be sure because you sure posted it to THIS wrong person.
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Don't care if he has your respect. He has mine. As for bringing God into this with his moral responsibility...Jeb Bush IS a moral person. No doubt about that. OK...now this has turned into a tit for tat on Jeb Bush and that is not why I am on this thread. We are focused on Terri but our avenues of who what when wehre and how are not the same. Let's hope this works out the best for Terri. Have a good day.
ummmm....last I heard she was still breathing....
if she is breathing, she has hope...if she has hope, then the Congress has acted in time....
Has anyone seen the text of the bill? Some stories today said the compromise was to make sure it only applied to Terri and no one else (how do you spell "Bill of Attainder"?). It would be nice to know how they kept from invalidating my durable power of attorney which is designed, like millions of others, to keep me from being force fed and diapered for years as poor Terri has been -- and apparently will be for years to come. How tragic for her.
Palm Beach is a nazi or is it a communist stronghold. There is really no difference, is it? Just some philosophical split ends?
There is supposed to be someone medically attending to Terri's needs per Greer's order, wasn't there? At least that's what I'm recalling. I can't find the link on terrisfight any more.
Well, I am a conservative politically and an evangelical Christian and I, like millions of others, have a written document known in California as a "durable power of attorney" (or a "living will" in other states) directing my attorney in fact to see that I am NOT kept alive by force feeding and diapers for years when my brain is gone like poor Terri. [Her brain is gone G-O-N-E. Where her brain used to be, there is only spinal fluid. She has only a brain stem left.]
You folks can't keep your liberal "I know better" hands off her poor brain-dead body. Please try and keep it off mine. That is not life; it is a parody of life. All this new bill accomplishes is to make my heirs fight through state court and now through federal court and exhaust my estate with attorneys fees in order to get me home to Jesus. Everyone who has interfered with Terri's homegoing ought to wear diapers to bed tonight -- just to get a taste of her last 15 years and however many more are imposed on her as a result of this unfortunate political opportunism.
RE. "bill of attainder", here is a clarifying post by "tort_feasor":
I'm a lawyer and my first thought was that it was a bill of attainder. However, I lookd up the history and a key element is missing. A bill of attainder seeks to punish a single person without trial. Here there is no punishment therefore it should pass constitutional muster. Some examples of bills for single persons. Chrysler Bail out, Bills making individuals citizens, Gold Medals for Schwartzkopf at end of Gulf War.
38 posted on 03/20/2005 2:26:47 PM PST by tort_feasor
And here is a link to excerpts of the bill -- it does indeed only apply to Terri:
Excerpts of Bill in Terri Schiavo Case
Too late? The average person can live without water for 7 days.. its been 1 1/2.. give her 5..
SP, the allegation is that Terri's blood sugar dropped dangerously low, not too high.
What I find amazing is who has been blocking this :
Joseph Mengele's "killer" starting 5 :
National Socialists who decry the right yet toss Terri into the ovens?
I guess that depends on whether you think sentencing a brain dead woman to more years of force feeding and diapering is 'punishment' enough. It sure is to me.
After all, Paul told us that we (as Christians) should not grieve over the loss of physical life "like the rest who have no hope." (1 Thess 4:13b) I have a durable power of attorney to try to prevent politicians from doing to me what they are doing to poor Terri.
TRUE, vey true! And it is always possible she has a fever from lack of food and water. So she could improve with food and water I hope! DUH, of course she can!
So you think she's aware enough to know she's wearing diapers and you still think her brain is GONE?
I also find it amazing that it is the morally compass-less Democrats who are defending Terri's right to end her tortured parody of life and the Republican opportunists who are insisting that 15 years of force feeding and diapering isn't enough punishment. Politics does indeed sometimes make strange bedfellows.
Having followed this case for some time, and looked into it myself, my prayer is that truth and sanity will prevail over lies and sanctimony.
Obviously you are in favor of euthanasia.
Next some judge will rule that people aren't allowed to be cared for by their loving families (as Terri's parents want to care for her), but anyone who is found to not have a life worth living, as determined by some judges, should be starved to death.
I guess, soon that will include anyone with any mental or physical disabilities of any age, and Republicans (Howard Dean called Republicans "brain dead", so I guess we all deserve to be euthanized, right?)
I never saw this woman until today when I caught a few minutes of her on C-SPAN talking about W's actions as governor, and it was pretty funny. I was busy with something while it was on in the background and I kept asking "Who IS this person?" Listening to her babbling had me very confused as to her intellectual capacity.
Someone posted that Terri has an infection and is running a high fever. She may have gotten the infection, when her feeding tube was removed.
So THIS time it was done in the non-sterile HOSPICE.
That's a fellony right there.
Thank you, Lord! Now, if we could just eliminate Michael Schiavo as Terri's guardian and return her to the loving care of her parents AND the rehabilitation that should have been given her long ago, perhaps we could all move on with our lives.
So sad to see these Death Cult boo-birds try to overrun the Terri threads. Their Demo-gogue operators must be loving it...
DW377: So you think she's aware enough to know she's wearing diapers and you still think her brain is GONE
Two points. I didn't say she was aware. She isn't aware of anything. She is gone.
Secondly, I don't think her brain is gone. All of the doctors who have examined here -- including the parents' doctors agree that the brain is physically gone, missing, not there. The only disagreement is that the parents' doctors -- without a scintilla of support in any medical literature -- think that perhaps some of the cells in her brain stem which remains (and keeps her breathing) could be trained. Her brain is gone, folks. G-O-N-E. As Judge Greer said 13 years ago, "the court finds beyond all doubt that [Terri] is in a persistent vegetative state .... The medical evidence before this court conclusively establishes that she has no hope of ever regaining consciousness and therefore capacity."
I think the most humorous aspect of all this is the large number of people for whom an organism without a brain who had some bizarre form of 'food' shoved through her body and into her diapers for 15 years is somehow representative of their version of "life".
"Thank you, Lord! Now, if we could just eliminate Michael Schiavo as Terri's guardian and return her to the loving care of her parents"
No, but I am in favor of letting people end their own lives with dignity. If you don't agree (and all those who think Terri needs a few more years of force feeding and diapers), you should start wearing diapers. After all, what's good enough for you to force on poor defenseless Terri is good enough for you.
I think we should all buy stock in "Depends." With this group of yoyos in Congress, there is going to be a run on Depends. (All puns intended.)
Do you think all humans who are in a state she is in should be starved until they die?
It's a simple, non-loaded question I'd like folks who share your point of view to answer. Thanks.
He came back from Texas just to sign this into law. It will happen.
All who want to be, yes. What is missing in your one-size-fits-all absolutism is that Terri, like me and millions of others, did not want to be maintained by artificial means. The only problem was that Terri, like most young adults, told people (her husband, her brother-in-law and sister-in-law) but didn't have her wishes written down. So, now, people who want to make some political point can make it at her expense.
I would certainly want to be allowed to die in such a terrible circumstance and my durable power of attorney so provides. As Paul said, we of all people should not grieve over physical life "... like the rest who have no hope." (1 Thess 4:13b).
BTW, I believe that most conservatives are Christians, but I realize that some aren't. If you are one of the latter, i.e. a conservative but not a Christian, it might make good sense NOT to direct such a course of action for yourself.
Do you think that all humans who are the condition she is in should be starved until they die, if they don't have anything in writing?
She's not ending her life. Michael Schiavo is. There is a distinct difference. There was no conscious decision made by Terri.
I do not believe God condones murder. Just like abortion, this decision is being made by someone else. There was never a time-a corroborated time-that Terri indicated that her life be terminated should she end up in this condition. Not once, just speculation and hear say.
Should all people who are brain damaged be starved to death............according to your interpretation of the Apostle Paul?
Jeb Bush is serving his second and last term as governor.
"All who want to be, yes."
A canny dodge there--how about those whose wishes we cannot know for sure?
"What is missing in your one-size-fits-all absolutism"
I don't understand the argumentative tone. I asked a simple question, openly, and you, as all the others with your position here, turn it into something it is not. I'm not proposing any kind of absolutism; I merely asked a question.
" is that Terri, like me and millions of others, did not want to be maintained by artificial means. The only problem was that Terri, like most young adults, told people (her husband, her brother-in-law and sister-in-law) but didn't have her wishes written down."
Well, that's kind of a big issue, isn't it, not some minor quibble?
Nothing stops people who feel strongly about this from rushing out on any business day and getting a DNR order. Nothing.
Is it that big a strain on people to expect them to actually put it in writing that they want to be starved to death in certain situations? Isn't that kind of why we have such things in the first place?
Supposedly she told one person this, this one person having no other evidence except his word.
Folks who want folks to have the right to end their lives have this weird new standard--it used to be that one should have the right to get a court-approved document that siad "In such event..." You got that. NOW it's "If they tell one other person at some point, even if there is no other documentation proving it."
How about people who were born in the state Terri is in? Don't they have to endure the same situations you described if their brains are also GONE? Should we starve them too? I mean, aren't they suffering and deserving of mercy, too?
WHAT WAS THE VOTE? wHO WAS FOR AND WHO WAS AGAINST?
I heard she had a huge breakfast, but the whole weekend thing, and Easter Recess, I agree seems to be timed.
How can an ex-post facto law be considered constitutional? What has happened to the strict constructionist approach to constitutional issues by Republican party???????
PS: What about upholding State's rights?
Civil rights issue? Bogus defense because this law just passed applies to one person only so that comparison can't be made.
The Constitution does not allow the State to murder a U.S. citizen and gives the Congress the right to stop it.
Aw, come on, do you actually expect people to go to the incredible length of getting their wishes in writing if they JUST wanna be starved to death? Man, what has this country come to if you can't off someone unless they've actually taken five minutes to tell a lawyer to draw up a legal document first! Next thing you'll be saying that we shouldn't starve the retarded, either! /s.o.
I don't think you can make the case that the state of Florida is murdering her. I wish this wasn't happening and that some agreement could have been reached years ago between Michael and the Schindlers. But Terri has not been denied due process, which means consitutional conditions have been met. This is NOT a federal case, and I think a very bad precedent is being set in Washington.
It's not demagoging to make reference to what is actually written in our founding documents.
Do you seriously think the Founding Fathers would allow the murder of a U.S. citizen on the basis of States rights? Do you actually believe that States Rights are a higher value than stopping the murder of an innocent citizen?
She hasn't had an MRI, and there is no certainty that she is in a PVS. The only basis for saying that she wants to die is her (unfaithful) husband's word that wasn't mentioned for 5 years.
She has no lawyer representing her. She's been denied the right to even go outside, or get any therapy.
And she's presently being starved to death and denied even ice chips to make her more comfortable.
If that's not murder, I'd like to know what you base your moral judgements on......