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A REAL Proposal to Mend our "Leaky Borders"
04/10/05 | vanity

Posted on 04/09/2005 5:30:56 AM PDT by genefromjersey

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To: dennisw

Huh? They are fingerprinted but normally the fingerprints get shredded?


61 posted on 04/09/2005 8:19:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: CBart95

maybe use a bigger stick?


62 posted on 04/09/2005 8:35:51 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Look! Jimmy Carter! History's greatest monster!)
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To: genefromjersey; All; Old Sarge

--Mexico has essentially appropriated our border; our health care and education systems; billions of illegally earned dollars; and our sovereignty . . . routinely.

[of course at the behest and with the facilitation of the puppet masters but hey, let's pretend that's not true]

I think we should BILL MEXICO XX THOUSAND BARRELS OF OIL PER EVERY 10 ILLEGALS LIKELY TO HAVE COME ACROSS THE BORDER. Say charge them XX thousand barrels of oil equal to triple the costs of enforcement, medical care and education expenses over the last 3 decades for illegals until that's been repaid with interest--then drop it to double as a continuing penalty for the next 3 decades.

IF MEXICO DOESN'T PAY UP IN OIL, SUBTRACT DOUBLE THE VALUE OF THAT OIL FROM THE EXPORTED MONEY SENT TO MEXICO BY ILLEGALS.

If that doesn't get us the oil, send in the Marines and take over however many oil wells we need. Mexico wants the border erased, fine, then they are our oil wells, too.


63 posted on 04/09/2005 8:43:30 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: genefromjersey; All; Old Sarge

--Mexico has essentially appropriated our border; our health care and education systems; billions of illegally earned dollars; and our sovereignty . . . routinely.

[of course at the behest and with the facilitation of the puppet masters but hey, let's pretend that's not true]

I think we should BILL MEXICO XX THOUSAND BARRELS OF OIL PER EVERY 10 ILLEGALS LIKELY TO HAVE COME ACROSS THE BORDER. Say charge them XX thousand barrels of oil equal to triple the costs of enforcement, medical care and education expenses over the last 3 decades for illegals until that's been repaid with interest--then drop it to double as a continuing penalty for the next 3 decades.

IF MEXICO DOESN'T PAY UP IN OIL, SUBTRACT DOUBLE THE VALUE OF THAT OIL FROM THE EXPORTED MONEY SENT TO MEXICO BY ILLEGALS.

If that doesn't get us the oil, send in the Marines and take over however many oil wells we need. Mexico wants the border erased, fine, then they are our oil wells, too.


64 posted on 04/09/2005 8:43:31 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: genefromjersey
Statement: "A REAL Proposal to Mend our "Leaky Borders"

Response: Deputize all citizens. Gather all available means of transportation i.e. Jumbo jets down to Air Coups; trains, from passenger to oil tankers; Big Rigs to Hertz rental trailers; autos, taxi's, pogo sticks, horses, oxen, sled dogs etc. etc. Then have a giant roundup! Sigh! The aforementioned would require a people with strength. America in 2005 A.D. no longer has a people but has merely a population, and that population apparently has no strength.

65 posted on 04/09/2005 8:53:01 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: Quix

Ditto #64!


66 posted on 04/09/2005 8:56:58 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Sarajevo
Depends...
Is that built to keep people out? or in?
67 posted on 04/09/2005 9:03:01 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Condor51
Your examples of EOs dealing with federal employees and the federal workplace confirms what I said. EOs apply to the executive branch. In fact, those EOs do not apply to employees of Congress. You will recall that when the pubs took over Congress in '94, they made changes on employee rules and regs to bring them more in line with executive branch rules and regs. But even today, there are differences.

Yes, strings are attached to funding. This is done by Congress and the prez has no authority to attach strings. In fact, if you will look at how the congressional oversight committees work, you'll see that Congress can get very detailed in manageing the president's employees by being very detailed in how they appropriate the money.

As for disputes between the the executive branch and the legislative branch, that will always happen. Each will always try to force their authority over the other. Impoundment is an excellant example.

JQ Adams was the first president to do it and all following presidents did it. It was always done in a small way and centered on how the prez would run his branch most effectively. Congress would bitch and moan but the infractions didn't rise to the point that justified a stand-off. This changed when Nixon got egregious. Congress took him to court and won. Thereafter, the ability of the prez to manipulate appropriations, even in a small way, disappeared.

68 posted on 04/09/2005 9:05:18 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: proxy_user
"Every year, the IRS gets millions of W2 forms where the name does not match the social security number."

Hmmm ... does that mean that if an illegal uses my SS#, I get the money he/she put on my number?

69 posted on 04/09/2005 9:11:53 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: dennisw

I've read this before,and it doesn't make sense-mathematically.

Of those crossing,only about 5-6% are OTM (other than Mexican )- so how do we account for the high % of Mexicans among the illegals who have disappeared into our population, unless they are being "trapped and released" as well ?


70 posted on 04/09/2005 9:17:57 AM PDT by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: dennisw

Far as I'm concerned, they came in through Mexico, so they are Mexico's problem too. ;)


71 posted on 04/09/2005 9:28:29 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I'm trying to restrain my "bad posts" gene, but you hit a nerve:

"..people think that only an idiot to run into a freeway..."

Not so. I don't live on the border, but I'm not that far, and these ***IMBECILES*** walk - yes, walk across the Interstates constantly. Rush hour, 2:00 AM, no diff. They're lazy pigs who take the shortest distance.

And if you hit one, you'd probably not be prosecuted by the state, but the ambulance chasers down here would crucify you with the civil suit.

/rant off.


72 posted on 04/09/2005 9:41:30 AM PDT by Felis_irritable
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To: proxy_user
I don´t think they would leave. Why should they? They can still make more money selling drugs, robbing liquor stores and mugging old people for their social security checks.
73 posted on 04/09/2005 10:05:24 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Felis_irritable

I used to live in California. It was mainly kids who would play 'footsie' with the drivers when/where I was. But if there's a border road earmarked where drivers have the right of way, then it would be a completely different matter. Not that I'm being serious about that suggestion, just trying to help people think outside the box a little. FReegards....


74 posted on 04/09/2005 10:06:32 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Not to mention if you find any broken indian artifacts all construction has to stop. Ya gotta love it.


75 posted on 04/09/2005 10:12:58 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: genefromjersey
If the Federal Government wanted to seal the border it could. It could easily be contracted out at a fraction of the cost of what illegals are costing the taxpayers every day.

The border is secured just so much as to make it look to the taxpayers that the Government is trying, but not so much that it is actually effectual.

Democrats need to import their future voters, after all, and Republican business interests need their labor costs as low as possible.

76 posted on 04/09/2005 10:13:20 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Grannyx4
let our whiney teenagers start earning their way through life

You got that right. I personally like to see more of them at work (especially college students) instead of choking the roadways talking on cell phones. I worked at fast food restaurants, gas stations , etc., when I was in school.

77 posted on 04/09/2005 10:14:27 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: MarkL

And your doing a good job Mark.


78 posted on 04/09/2005 10:22:35 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Quix

Along the same lines. Why not have all medical bills, cost of education, etc., billed to the employer who hires them. he has to pass along the cost to the consumer, we stop buying his product and he goes out of business.

Or we could take the short course and stop buying his product.


79 posted on 04/09/2005 10:31:04 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Plutarch
If the Federal Government wanted to seal the border it could. It could easily be contracted out at a fraction of the cost...

Thanks Plut, I thought I was the only one here in favor of smaller government.

Not only could we contract out surveillance (possible bidders) but we could also contract out the prison work too (list of bidders for prison services).  Let's go one step further.  Why don't we outsource the prison work to companies in say, Uganda?

80 posted on 04/09/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by expat_panama
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