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Geographic Society Is Seeking a Genealogy of Humankind
NY Times ^ | April 13, 2005 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 04/13/2005 3:33:59 AM PDT by Pharmboy

A five-year project to reconstruct a genealogy of the world's populations and the migration paths of early humans from their ancestral homeland in Africa will be started today by the National Geographic Society and I.B.M., the society said in a statement.

The goal of the program is to collect 100,000 blood samples from indigenous populations around the world and analyze them genetically. Researchers at 10 local centers and at the National Geographic Society in Washington will then assign the people who give blood to lineages that trace the routes traveled by their early ancestors.

The program is an effort to accomplish the goals of the Human Genome Diversity Project, an initiative that was proposed by population geneticists in 1991.

That project ran into a political furor that prevented it from receiving substantial government support. It was denounced by some cultural anthropologists, who said that looking for genetic differences among populations was tantamount to racism. And advocates for indigenous peoples portrayed it as a "vampire project" for extracting valuable medical information from the blood of endangered tribes while giving nothing in return.

The proponents viewed their plan as complementing the Human Genome Project, then getting under way, because it would show how the sequence of DNA units in the human genome varied from one population to another. The project did proceed on a more modest basis, eventually collecting blood samples from 52 populations that were converted into 1,000 cell lines. The first major analysis, published in 2002, showed that the subjects' genomes fell into five major clusters corresponding to their continent of origin and, in effect, to their race.

This and many other studies have established that the branches of the human family tree on different continents coalesce to a single root, the ancestral human population that began to migrate from northeast Africa some 50,000 years ago. The routes of this migration are known in general outline but many details remain to be filled in.

The National Geographic's program, if it succeeds, will create a collection of blood samples 100 times larger than the Human Genome Diversity Project did. Dr. Spencer Wells, a population geneticist at the society who is leading the program, said he hoped to head off charges of exploitation by offering money to the tribes for education and cultural preservation.

Many indigenous peoples believe their ancestors have always lived in their home territory, a credo that will not be supported by genetic analysis of their blood samples. Dr. Wells said that he would "tell people up front" that some of the results may contradict what they believe. "The idea that we have all come on a journey from a common origin is intriguing to people," he said.

The program will cost at least $40 million over five years, a National Geographic Society spokeswoman said. Sources of support include the Waitt Family Foundation of San Diego and the income expected from members of the public, who will be encouraged to send in cheek swabs and learn for $99.95 which male or female lineage they belong to.

Male lineages, based on the Y chromosome, and female lineages, based on mitochondrial DNA, are mostly confined to specific continents, reflecting the fact that until recently people mostly lived and procreated in the place they were born.

Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, the Stanford University population geneticist who was a leading proponent of the Human Genome Diversity Project, said the National Geographic effort would "be a major addition to our knowledge." Dr. Cavalli-Sforza, a pioneer of population genetics, is an adviser to the program.

But Dr. Kenneth Kidd, a population geneticist at Yale University, expressed reservations about the plan to preserve the blood samples as raw DNA. Because the DNA is finite, it cannot be shared with every scientist who may ask for some. In the Human Genome Diversity Project, by contrast, white blood cells from a sample were made essentially immortal before storage. Though it would cost an additional $200 to $300 to immortalize each sample, the cells last forever and the supply is inexhaustible.

The National Geographic program will develop a lot of useful information "but to me it is not a properly and fully developed kind of study" because the samples cannot be made available to everyone in the scientific community, Dr. Kidd said.

Dr. Wells said a large amount of DNA would be available from the 5 to 10 milliliters of blood drawn in each sample. He cited the extra cost of making permanent cell lines and also said that some indigenous peoples opposed the notion of having their cells live on after their deaths.

Besides tracing the routes of early human migrations, the National Geographic program will study other questions of population history like the origin of the Han Chinese, the lost homeland of the Indo-European languages and whether a genetic trail was left by the armies of Alexander the Great.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; dna; genealogy; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; humanity; migration; races
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It was denounced by some cultural anthropologists, who said that looking for genetic differences among populations was tantamount to racism.

No, you leftist idiots, it's just describing what's there.

This could be interesting...the findings may disturb more than just indigenous peoples.

1 posted on 04/13/2005 3:34:00 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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I love the smell of *PING* in the morning...


2 posted on 04/13/2005 3:35:38 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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Once they have completed this study, we will have undeniable proof that everyone is of African descent. Then we can all put African-American on our affirmative action forms. Furthermore we can start calling everyone outside our immediate family - cousin.
3 posted on 04/13/2005 3:43:29 AM PDT by reg45
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Yes, the left will be really disturbed when their lineages are traced back to the Hellmouth in Sunnydale!


4 posted on 04/13/2005 3:47:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Good point--we can sell the T-shirts.


5 posted on 04/13/2005 3:49:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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This study will also prove what I have long contended. That race - or what we call race - is a temporary abberation in the evolution of mankind, caused by geographical isolation. Within ten-thousand years, intermixing (caused by eliminating geographical isolation), will eliminate "race" as a differentiating factor.


6 posted on 04/13/2005 4:04:44 AM PDT by reg45
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To: Pharmboy
The program is an effort to accomplish the goals of the Human Genome Diversity Project, an initiative that was proposed by population geneticists in 1991. That project ran into a political furor that prevented it from receiving substantial government support. It was denounced by some cultural anthropologists, who said that looking for genetic differences among populations was tantamount to racism. And advocates for indigenous peoples portrayed it as a "vampire project" for extracting valuable medical information from the blood of endangered tribes while giving nothing in return.

Now, 14 years later, perhaps we can learn something if the left wing luddites don't create another "perfect storm". Of course, they still have not given up on Kennewick Man.

7 posted on 04/13/2005 4:27:23 AM PDT by JimSEA
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They should also document ancestry of these subjects. It is feasible and should lead back to a common progenitor somewhere. Like all us Anglos with ancestors in the British Isles come from a finite root stock. Somewhere back there in time only a few survived the dark ages, plagues, pestilence, famines, calamities, jousting tournaments and such.
9 posted on 04/13/2005 4:32:36 AM PDT by carumba
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I don't see how they can find the lost homeland of the Indo-Europeans based on genetic traces. Linguistics would be the better option.

As for traces of Alexander: there are tribes in Kashmir that are practically Greeks
10 posted on 04/13/2005 4:47:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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That race - or what we call race - is a temporary abberation in the evolution of mankind, caused by geographical isolation.

You are quite correct -- humanity was no separated long enough for us to be as distinct as, say a horse is from a donkey.
11 posted on 04/13/2005 4:48:46 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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Like all us Anglos with ancestors in the British Isles come from a finite root stock

Weeeellll, NO. The English are among the most mixed up folks in the world (and I personally think they mostly got the best traits of each group that intermingled): they got the Celtic, Saxon, Norman, French, etc. roots mixed with a whole bunch of immigrants from other parts of Europe and now from all over the world.
12 posted on 04/13/2005 4:50:31 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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No need for another study. It's all there in the LDS library and has been for at least a decade. Yep, someone had the gall to submit a lineage from Adam and Eve.


14 posted on 04/13/2005 5:09:00 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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Why does everyone always forget about the Picts?


15 posted on 04/13/2005 5:16:01 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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'Cause the Picts were actually phantasms who got solid form when they covered themselves with paint -- hence the Latin name, Pictariii or painted ones. They were part of the NGLLF: Northern Gay and Lesbian Liberation Front and would paint themselves pink. The Romans who were mostly Stoic couldn't stand them so they would splash kerosene and make the Picts melt. They all melted away. The end.... :-P


16 posted on 04/13/2005 5:29:18 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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Nicely done--and, as I understand it, because they were of small stature, they gave rise to the term "pixie."


17 posted on 04/13/2005 5:53:45 AM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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Yup, lots of groups have clashing ideas about human ancestry. I'm really looking forward to what they find.
Two books for anyone interested:
Dr. Jonathan Wells - The Journey of Man (easy to read)
Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza - The History and Geography of Human Genes (more technical but still fascinating to the layman)
18 posted on 04/13/2005 6:33:52 AM PDT by Varda
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Thanks Pharmboy. "It was denounced by some cultural anthropologists, who said that looking for genetic differences among populations was tantamount to racism." I think the study is not going to be useful, but it isn't racist.
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19 posted on 04/13/2005 6:57:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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