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LIVE SENATE THREAD: "Nuclear Wednesday" for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
C-span 2 ^ | May 18, 2005

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:48:45 AM PDT by ken5050

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; claudenovak; constitutionaloption; cspan; democratnukereaction; filibuster; georgeallen; may18th2005; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown; ussenate
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To: Bahbah
Well, while we are having a recess I need to go outside. The mowers are here and they have been cutting down some of my daisies, so I need to quickly put some stakes up so they don't get carried away again.

Back in a bit!

1,801 posted on 05/18/2005 12:41:44 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: saberpride
Teddy is gone and when I listen to this Baucus guy all I hear is "Blah Blah Blah Blah".

Perhaps their just being concerned about our health- Teddy gets your blood boiling, and Baucus brings it back down (before putting you to sleep).

1,802 posted on 05/18/2005 12:41:54 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: Bahbah

Did anyoe here how long the Senate will stay in session today/tonight?


1,803 posted on 05/18/2005 12:42:36 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: churchillbuff

They aren't voting. They have an hour recess before they pick up the debate.


1,804 posted on 05/18/2005 12:42:48 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Could have been, it sounds familiar.


1,805 posted on 05/18/2005 12:42:49 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: All

The Dems have made a TERRIBLE mistake. Obstruction was one thing but those judges are Hubs of Pride in communities and are attached to spokes and that means people and votes. They blew it!!


1,806 posted on 05/18/2005 12:43:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: the anti-liberal

Thank you Lord they are taking a break! I need to get some work done!


1,807 posted on 05/18/2005 12:43:14 PM PDT by saberpride ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mo1

and now Sessions is on the Judiciary committee with Specter. Meanwhile, Specter (behind the scenes) continues to stall/delay while another Alabama judge is nominated, Billy Pryor. Some things never change.


1,808 posted on 05/18/2005 12:43:36 PM PDT by votelife (Elect a filibuster proof majority, 60 conservative US Senators!)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
I hope this stuff goes in one ear and out the other of the RINOS but I think those no-backbone guys and gals take this stuff to heart.
1,809 posted on 05/18/2005 12:43:39 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Didn't Baucus' wife curse and pitch a fit at some garden center over compost (I think) for crying out loud. She was NOT prosecuted, however, because hubby in effect pulled a Kerry (Do You Know Who I Am?). Only the "little people" are charged, you know.


1,810 posted on 05/18/2005 12:43:57 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Dem & RINO senators have "eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner."---.Macbeth)
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To: All

One-hour recess. Just want to thank everyone here today, you've been wonderful as sounding-boards, venting releases, and - most importantly - extreme humor! Thank goodness for FR.


1,811 posted on 05/18/2005 12:45:08 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (red, red voter in a blue, blue state)
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To: saberpride
LOL!!

Get ready, Get Set...GO!!!

1,812 posted on 05/18/2005 12:45:18 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA) Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Bahbah

Dang---I went to the restroom, come back the the Senate if gone? What happened? Are they already done for the day--they won't ever vote if they have a half a day!!!


1,813 posted on 05/18/2005 12:45:30 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Txsleuth

One hour recess.


1,814 posted on 05/18/2005 12:46:30 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Sacajaweau
The Dems have made a TERRIBLE mistake. Obstruction was one thing but those judges are Hubs of Pride in communities and are attached to spokes and that means people and votes. They blew it!!

You are so right! Just because some lunatic in DC says these people are "evil" doesn't mean that anyone else believes them. They think people in flyover country are stupid. Surprise, surprise. They are the stupid ones. That's why they are the MINORITY PARTY and are going to keep losing elections because of crap like what they are trying to pull. BIG MISTAKE!

1,815 posted on 05/18/2005 12:46:32 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Ladysmith

Are you from Franklin.


1,816 posted on 05/18/2005 12:46:50 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: Carolinamom

Yep .. got pictures too *L*

http://www.helenair.com/articles/2004/04/22/montana_top/a01042204_02.txt

Baucus' wife arrested for assault

By Ted Monoson and Allison Farrell - IR State Bureau - 04/22/04

The wife of Montana Democratic Sen. Max Baucus has been charged with assaulting another woman following a Tuesday night dispute over mulch at a Washington, D.C., garden center.


1,817 posted on 05/18/2005 12:47:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Fudd Fan; All
One-hour recess. Just want to thank everyone here today, you've been wonderful as sounding-boards, venting releases, and - most importantly - extreme humor! Thank goodness for FR.

Yep! See ya all back here in an hour, eh?

1,818 posted on 05/18/2005 12:47:08 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: Txsleuth

The sad part is...same story, different day. The Dems refuse to fulfill their advise and consent role...OBSTRUCTION!!


1,819 posted on 05/18/2005 12:47:15 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: oceanview
when I look back to see that ruth bader ginsburg was approved 96-3, I don't worry that a future republican minority is going to lose the ability to fillibuster judges - they wouldn't use it anyway.

But see, that's the point. Most all judicial nominees were easily approved unless there were actual mitigating circumstances. Ideological leanings weren't considered (Bork excepted) until Clarence Thomas.

It was believed that most judges, ideology aside, would rule by law, and not write it. Even after Thomas, the Pubs still played by the old rules, (Ginsburg). Chuck Schumer let the cat out of the bag in 2001 when he stated that ideology would be considered. And here we are.

1,820 posted on 05/18/2005 12:47:19 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: ken5050
Did anyoe here how long the Senate will stay in session today/tonight?

Just from memory - when Frist opened the day, he noted that debate would be split into alterbnating one hour chunks, with the last ones being 7:45 - 8:45 or something like that. No all-nighter planned, for sure. Some prime time planned.

1,821 posted on 05/18/2005 12:47:48 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sacajaweau
Poor Political Strategery For The Democrats On The Judicial Filibuster

While there has been an enormous amount of discussion about the nuclear option and judicial filibusters, one thing that hasn't been discussed is the poor political strategy of the Democrats throughout this whole fight.

This hasn't come into clear focus because the nuclear option hasn't been used as of yet. But, given that Frist is going to get the process started this week, you can bet that he's sure that he has the votes he needs to make it happen. So when the dust clears, what are the Democrats going to have gained for their filibusters?

Nothing.

All the judges that Bush renominated? They're going to be confirmed. If Bush gets an opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court Justice, the Democrats will be powerless to stop him. Furthermore, because the Democrats have been openly threatening to shut down the Senate if they lose this vote, they have helped to prove to the public that Republicans are right to call them "obstructionists" -- a charge that helped sink Tom Daschle's Senate campaign in 2004. Moreover, the Democratic base will be demanding that Harry Reid follow through on his threat to shut down the Senate which will only hurt the Democrats even more with the American public.

Maybe the Democratic leadership thought it was worth the gamble, but with 55 Republicans in the Senate and Cheney as a potential tiebreaker, it just wasn't a smart move to go for broke on judges.

Consider some of the other political options Democrats could have gone with.

1) Had the Democrats chosen to do so, they probably could have killed several of the current nominees in exchange for an ironclad, public promise to cease filibustering judges. Republican Senators wouldn't have liked that deal, but the RINOS would have jumped at the opportunity to avoid the nuclear option.

2) Given that the furor over judges took almost two years to build, the Democrats may have been able to get away with saving the filibuster for a Supreme Court Justice. With Rehnquist likely to retire, the Dems could have probably gotten away with filibustering a couple of Bush's appointees and forced him to send another Anthony Kennedy or Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court in the place of a real conservative judge.

3) Frist's deal -- which included up to 100 hours of debate for every nominee and a guarantee that every nominee would get out of the judiciary committee and get an up or down vote -- was actually a pretty good deal for Democrats considering the current political lay-of-the-land.

For one thing, if Democrats actually forced 100 hours of debate on every nominee they considered "controversial," they would probably manage to kill a few of them because Republicans wouldn't want to waste that much floor time.

Furthermore, although it's impossible to say for sure at this point, the numbers game looks to favor the GOP in 2006 and we will probably be able to add Republican seats in the Senate. So even if a Democrat becomes President in 2008, he or she is likely to face a heavily Republican Senate and a Judiciary Committee where the GOP has a large edge.

Quite frankly, Democratic nominees stand a better chance on the floor where there are several RINOs who might vote for them, rather than in the Judiciary Committee. So getting every nominee to the floor for a vote would have been very beneficial to the Democrats.

Now maybe the Democrats will compromise at the last minute or perhaps they are still holding out hope that they're going to pull victory from the jaws of defeat and will be allowed to continue to filibuster judges. But, it looks much more likely that they're going to lose the vote and then they're going to further hurt themselves politically by bringing the people's business before the Senate to a halt.

Not only is what the Democrats are doing not allowed by the Constitution and contrary to 200+ years of Senate tradition, it's poor political strategy. Harry Reid and company would have been wise to go in a different direction.

-- John Hawkins, rightwingnews.com
1,822 posted on 05/18/2005 12:48:36 PM PDT by OESY
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To: Sacajaweau
The Dems have made a TERRIBLE mistake. Obstruction was one thing but those judges are Hubs of Pride in communities and are attached to spokes and that means people and votes. They blew it!!

Just saw the tail end of Ben Nelson with Judy on CNN. He won't divulge details but thinks he's close to a deal. The sound is down at work but that's what I read on the captioning. Anyone else see that?

1,823 posted on 05/18/2005 12:48:55 PM PDT by byteback
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To: Txsleuth

Hey , BTW sidebar: Trump says[gotta lu'em] ,about the WTC site ,"...if the Statue of Liberty was destroyed , you wouldn't replace it with the Eiffel Tower..." SHEEsh ,battle downtown


1,824 posted on 05/18/2005 12:49:49 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Fudd Fan

I agree! Hope to catch all of you on FR in one hour!


1,825 posted on 05/18/2005 12:50:12 PM PDT by saberpride ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cboldt

CNN now reporting that 12 senators....6 Dems, 6 GOP..meeting in Warner's office to broker a compromise..Nelson says negotiations are ongoing..


1,826 posted on 05/18/2005 12:51:04 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Soul Seeker

Do you know why they are having a recess?

Surely it isn't for yet the umpteenth press conference that the Dems have held to tell the world how mean the GOP is--


1,827 posted on 05/18/2005 12:51:18 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Soul Seeker
Oh my God. I bet they were all ears.

But of course, if the White House suggests that Newsweak needs to be careful about printing total bs that jeopardizes our efforts in the WOT and puts the lives of our soldiers at risk, the press jumps down their throat.

I guess there was no outrage from them that Pelosi made suggestions to the press on what to print? I had not heard one peep about that.

Thank God for Rush exposing this hypocrisy
1,828 posted on 05/18/2005 12:51:45 PM PDT by planekT (Go DeLay, Go!)
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To: OESY
Harry Reid and company would have been wise to go in a different direction.

That would require wisdom, no?

1,829 posted on 05/18/2005 12:51:49 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (It's time the left - left!!!)
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To: ken5050

Let me guess...Chaffe, Snowe, Collins, McCain, Warner and another worthless RINO


1,830 posted on 05/18/2005 12:52:22 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Rats theme song: "Whatever it is...I'm AGAINST it!!!")
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To: Txsleuth
I went to the restroom, come back the the Senate if gone? What happened?

I had the dems beamed up to reeducation camps to get a clue installed and sent the Pubbies to lunch for a good job done.

1,831 posted on 05/18/2005 12:52:29 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: ken5050
The spineless RINOS better not back down this time they are winning this fight.
1,832 posted on 05/18/2005 12:53:29 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: Cboldt

Do you think that the dems are saving KKK Byrd for the "primetime line up"?

Oh, no, I just realized that Babs Boxer said she would be back, and John Kerry hasn't spoken yet....

Ugh, there are too many awful speakers left on their side.


1,833 posted on 05/18/2005 12:54:04 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: OESY

Excelent analysis..so, one asks..why did the Dems press ahead? Easy..they thought the GOP would never have the stones to fight back..


1,834 posted on 05/18/2005 12:54:06 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Fledermaus
Changing the filibuster for legislation is unconstitutional.

Wrong, sorry to say. The Constitution doesn't have anything to say about filibusters, which are a parliamentary tactic covered by senate rules.

1,835 posted on 05/18/2005 12:54:53 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Me cache en los Moros. (Ancient Spanish curse))
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To: Carolinamom; Fudd Fan

Thanks....


1,836 posted on 05/18/2005 12:55:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Dad yer funny

I for one believe that the WTC towers should be rebuilt exactly as they were--


1,837 posted on 05/18/2005 12:55:52 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: LisaFab
If you're picking on idealogy, you're pre-conceiving that they will "interpret" the constitution in a certain way.

In this case, you are saying that these judges will not interpret the constitution correctly.

You have effectively made yourself the interpreter of the Constitution and that is not your function. You can not use idealogy as an advise and consent device.

1,838 posted on 05/18/2005 12:56:22 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Kerretarded
If each senator is assumed to represent half that state's population, then the Senate's 55 Republicans represent 131 million people, while its 44 Democrats represent 161 million.

It's a canard. Senators represent their state as a whole, not the people. The House represents the people.

-PJ

1,839 posted on 05/18/2005 12:56:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Don Carlos

Okay...it doesn't use "filibuster" but it does talk about extra-majority votes which is what I meant.


1,840 posted on 05/18/2005 12:56:41 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Rats theme song: "Whatever it is...I'm AGAINST it!!!")
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To: OESY

yeah , but ya don't let an enemy this despicable to crawl away , kill it , they've done everything they can to hurt our beautiful USofA , F**K 'em


1,841 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:22 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: badgerbengal

Ahhh, nope!


1,842 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:34 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA) Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: Txsleuth
"Ugh, there are too many awful speakers left on their side."

You mean there are ones that aren't awful?
1,843 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:35 PM PDT by buckrat (Get Firefox!!)
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To: Txsleuth; Soul Seeker
Do you know why they are having a recess?

They are going to meet in the Cafeteria and have a Food Fight....

1,844 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: badgerbengal
Update please.

Have any of the usual "RINOS" caved in yet, or gone over to the enemy, or otherwise shown that in the general election, 'the lesser of two evils' is often still 'evil'??

1,845 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:04 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Mo1

Freepers can ALWAYS document and recall! This hot-tempered woman also SAID Hussein loved his people. LOL


1,846 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:06 PM PDT by Carolinamom (Dem & RINO senators have "eaten on the insane root that takes the reason prisoner."---.Macbeth)
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To: Dad yer funny

Trump is absulutely right!! But we might put a symbolic injury on the Lady or a tear in her eye.


1,847 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:22 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: BlessedByLiberty

For all of the feminist blustering about woman in government California has sent the most reprehensible role models for women: screeching, hysterical, emotionally out of control stereotypes: Pelosi,Boxer,Woolsey, Feinstein.

Well said.......Hopefully someday we can atone!


1,848 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:58 PM PDT by Primetimedonna
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To: Bahbah

LOL---Thank you very much---our Pubbies deserve a gourmet lunch!


1,849 posted on 05/18/2005 1:00:14 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: ken5050

If Nelson dishonors Nebraska again, my friends and family back home will have to vote him out.

In Nebraska, you get elected to federal office for one of two reasons.
1. We really like you.
2. We want you out of town.

Guess which one Nelson is?


1,850 posted on 05/18/2005 1:00:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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