Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[No Surrender No Retreat]

Do you think she might know what is a "Fruitbuzz?" Actually, I don't think she knows "jack" ,but likes the face time on camera. NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Amen to that and prayers do produce miracles. NSNR

[Nita Nupress]

... while I was reading the CTV boards last night, they kept saying that Rudy had been unreliable in the past -- and that he was the one who first said that Natalee was dead and had to retract it. I couldn't find a link or a quote anywhere over there to back it up, but I saw more than one person say he wasn't reliable.

First, what is "CTV?"

This was the first time I'd seen or heard anything Rudy Croes has said.  (Boy, was that a funky beard, or what?)  I wasn't very impressed with him, but I may have already been biased against him because of what we read on Thread 2 about Rudy's father and his involvement with the Sicilian mafia.  Anyway, I wouldn't bet a plug nickel on the truth of anything he has to say.  Maybe it's the beard. ;-)

It's interesting to me that he has a reputation of being "unreliable."  Someone gets that reputation by giving out false information.  People who are attempting damage control often give out false information before they think things through thoroughly enough to come up with a good story.  Regardless of whether or not he knows anything about Natalee's disappearance, if those mafia claims are true, then I'd bet he's awful nervous about his drug smuggling operations being uncovered in all this.

For some reaon, when I watch those Arbuan government people talking, I keep thinking of that character Martin Short use to play on Saturday Night Live, the one that was sweating all the time and being interviewed by a "Mike Wallace" actor. I can never tell whether they are spouting the government line or covering their butts.

I agree with you about the Aruban government people and their level of comfort when on camera.  But I can't figure out if it's because they're covering up something, or if they're afraid of becoming another unlucky recipient of a Columbian necktie.  Probably both!

I wish Fox would bring Mark Thurman down to Aruba.  If he could get on the case, he would figure all this out in no time. :-)

 

[Nita Nupress]

I've thought of that, but I just don't see him getting home from Rotterdam or wherever and getting this all together within a week. He would have been mulling it over. Unless Joran was like Scott in Austin Powers (Come'on Dad, let me put a cap in his ass. Scott, put a sock in it) and took matters into his own hands. 

I've been trying to figure that out myself.  Rudy Croes said his meeting with PVDS occurred "a week before this happened" (paraphrasing), if I'm not mistaken.  When did PVDS come back to Aruba from overseas?  And why did he come back alone? 
 

Thailand is pretty much out. Women are so cheap there. The Saudi's are the ones that shop for women because they can take them behind the walls never to be seen again.

Regarding Thailand, does anyone remember how one of the Aruban characters had a lot of the same website "Friends" as this older, white-haired, probable-pedophile man in Thailand?  All the "Friends" they had in common on their respective websites were very young and looked underage to me. 

But you're right, judging from this older man's website, young girls can be bought for a dime a dozen in Thailand.  Sickening.

[Nita Nupress]

 What I'm wondering is why did it take Rudy almost a month to say PVDS was a FAILED JUDGE??? Why didn't Rudy reveal this information early on??

 Well, that's not exactly something you want to tell everyone on national TV, I suppose.  ("No, Paulus is not a judge.  He's a failure and a flunkie.")  Maybe he kept on waiting for PVDS to tell everyone himself?  I don't know.  Good question.

[hummingbird]

Are you guys sure? I think it might have the end of the 48 hour period.

Doesn't feel like it has been 8 days for PVDS, does it?! What day was he arrested? (Man, they say the memory is the first to go!)

[Nita Nupress]

The man was probably freaking out when he found out his life, as planned, had gone down the toilet by flunking out.

He obviously hasn't had time to deal with it or he wouldn't have misled Greta during their interview the other day. Of course, I guess that's not exactly something a person would be eager to tell the world on TV, is it?  I almost feel sorry for him.  (I said "almost." No flames, people!)

You also said, "This whole ordeal may be one heck of a circle jerk, made to look as if an honest attempt to get to the truth has been accomplished."

It all depends on how corrupt their police chief is, whoever that is.  If he's on the take (or even complicit with criminal activity of some type himself), then they'll have to find a "fall guy" or hope they can wait out Natalee's Mom and Greta. :)

[hummingbird]

http://www.fox-news.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

I think you are correct, Pepper777. Greta interviewed the VDS (Paul & Anita) on the 22nd. So I think this is the 48 hr release, not an 8 day release.

[presently no screen name]

Another poster said June 23

[Nita Nupress]

another big eyed gal (current affair gal on geraldo)

I noticed that. And some man they had on yesterday was big-eyed and never blinked! Maybe it's bad facelifts.

[hummingbird]

Sheesh...Greta was carrying the ball and the case SEEMED to move forward...Geraldo shows up again and everything starts to fall apart!

Hah...better get Greta back down there ASAP and let Geraldo go back to posing on his boat!

[GarySpFc]

I'm curious if the search team has found some article of clothing, couple that w/the 2 released today, could have put Beth in a deep depression.

I suspect the reality of Natalle likely being dead is setting in and she fears that. PvdS being released takes away her hope for justice.

[dc-zoo]

I read Brian's "three kids in the trunk story" early saturday and it was in his May list. Not in June.

[GarySpFc]

Greta has done an awesome job on this case.

[dc-zoo]

Greta has the number one news show on tv. She's staying with Fox News. She's even beating O'R.

[GarySpFc]

Please go seek Brian for answers, and when the two of you have the case solved, then come back and see us. Until then please take the nonsense elsewhere.

[hummingbird]

It wasn't on this thread, might have been on another site, it was a day ago, and I forgot about it until I saw Geraldo mentioned. If I recall right, it was said he gave her kiss, took her hand

I cannot, under any circumstances, believe that Beth or her husband would appreciate such behavior. Given the nature of the reason Beth & family are in Aruba, it makes Geraldo's behavior way out of line on a human level and incredibly unprofessional.

[Big Jake]

I think Jossy is pissed. I know there have been several articles posted on FR discussing the Mansur family, but I think there is much more "behind the scenes goings-ons" to this case than is being reported. The Mansur family owns over half the island. NH's disappearance does nothing for the Mansurs' businesses or bank accounts.

excerpt:

The First Independent State under Mafia Control

"Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, "Diario". ""When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government","says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, ""their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”."""Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering ""has become a political tool to discredit them”." (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family's mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias 'Don' Mansur is the family's whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman's first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)"

Read this article, then rip it up, throw it away and never tell anyone you read it... it gave me a big chill. http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

[texasbluebell]

You must see this ebay auction -- post 2609!

Will bring back memories of the Bride.

link

[hummingbird]

i didn't notice his reaction, but it wouldn't surprise me. the kiss that first weekend was beyond the pale, i thought. he is a grossout to me in a huge way,and i can't imagine she needs him kissing on her while she is distraught.

I always thought Geraldo was just a buffoon but this is vulture behavior...as you say, "way beyond the pale."