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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: demkicker

Dem, please check your FReepmail...:)


4,461 posted on 06/29/2005 1:08:35 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: txrangerette

My husband heard someone say over the weekend on FNC that Natalee had indeed been at the VDS home several days before. I wasn't paying attention and didn't hear that. Was that just another bit of incorrect info? I also heard someone say that Daddy VDS was at the casino with Joran the night that Natalee disappeared. If either is true, then PVDS would have seen Natalee before all this happened.


4,462 posted on 06/29/2005 1:10:00 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Pepper777
It certainly could be a code call... we have raised 4 sons... all a little nutz in their late teen years - finally turned human about 22 - 23 year of age... nothing serious, but major pranks... I don't get a 17 year old calling another boy to tell him he made it home.. unless they were waiting for him to call to get a ride.. in that case, could something have gone wrong and he needed a more experience guide.. like his father??? This case is really spooky.. with everyone running around like Keystone Cops... also, why is the media using talking "crime pros" heads to comment on the status of the case.. they don't know as much as many on FR... Perhaps we need to put Brigette together with Mark Furman (moved to Aruba) on site to get this job done!!!!
Just a brief thought from a lurker...
4,463 posted on 06/29/2005 1:10:58 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: maggiefluffs; TexKat; All

More thoughts...

AVDS is in Holland, she most likely had Joran younger siblings with her in Holland.

How do we know for sure that PVDS went home that night? Where is his alibi's?

How do we know that PVDS does not like like to fish at night at the fisherman huts? Or maybe PVDS takes his "pick-up's" to the fisherman huts. Maybe Joran knew PVDS would be at the fisherman huts.

PVDS may have never went home that night and maybe Joran knew where to catch up with his dad to get a ride home that morning.

How do we know that Joran did not call his father that early morning? - Do really know if LE would leak this out to the MSM yet or even to the brothers attorney's?

We sure don't know much about were PVDS was, or if he has a alibi to prove he was at home sawing logs in his sleep.


4,464 posted on 06/29/2005 1:13:14 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: twigs

My info would contradict that she was at the vdS home before. There WAS talk that she knew Joran before that night, but some friends contradicted that. There was info that Natalee and Joran were at the Casino earlier, before Carlos and Charlies, and that the father was also there. Though Greta could not nail down that he had literally met her. However, he most likely SAW her there.


4,465 posted on 06/29/2005 1:16:57 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: brigette
Joran is trying like crazy to cover up how he got home that morning.

I can't help but wonder if Joran is covering for his father. He just doesn't strike me as someone who could endure for long under strenuous questioning. But covering up for a loved one, yes. Just a thought.

4,466 posted on 06/29/2005 1:17:59 PM PDT by twigs
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To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

What exactly are the fisherman hut's?

Are they buildings? (they look like they are)
Are they really used by fisherman that need a place to sleep over night?

How often are they used by fisherman?

Exactly what are they to the Aruban people?

We know they are just up from the Marriott (west) and towards the California light house on the beach.


4,467 posted on 06/29/2005 1:20:14 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: TexKat; maggiefluffs; All

http://www.neilpryde.com/hotspots/locations/americas/ar_fishermanhuts.html

Fisherman's Huts, Aruba, Caribbean.

How to get there
From the airport, folow the only highway past town and to the high rise hotels. Past the hotels, in the Noord area you'll find Fisherman's Huts.

When to go
December to August

What to bring
Bring slalom/freeride boards 270 - 280 and sails between 5.5 and 6.5.

What to expect
Fisherman's Huts offers some of the best flatwater sailing in the world. The smooth water and 15-30 knot offshore winds deliver ideal conditions for slalom and course racing. and provides the venue for the annual PWA world cup event. Visit the local shop Fiberworks and the resort The Boardwalk for equipment assistance and local information. They'll be happy to help you out and can even show you where to score some excellent wave sailing further up the coast at Arashi Beach and Westpunt.


4,468 posted on 06/29/2005 1:21:26 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

PvdS doesn't have an alibi that I know of. He says he was at McD's picking up JvdS at 11:00pm, not 4:00am per the Natalee's family.

He was at the casino earlier that night, per Greta, correct? Do we know what time he left?


4,469 posted on 06/29/2005 1:21:50 PM PDT by maggief
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To: twigs
My husband heard someone say over the weekend on FNC....

That reminds me of a little dilemma I face at my home. My husband will read the news scrolling across the bottom of FNC and report to me that the terror alert has been elevated. Of course, the terror alert level is merely called "elevated" but the first time he told me I almost posted it in Breaking News. Acckk!

4,470 posted on 06/29/2005 1:22:33 PM PDT by Quilla
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To: txrangerette

With someone as attractive as Natalee, Daddy's seeing her could be significant.


4,471 posted on 06/29/2005 1:24:07 PM PDT by twigs
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To: brigette

4,472 posted on 06/29/2005 1:27:35 PM PDT by maggief
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To: spectre

Wondering why it is that Mickey Johns is the only guard we always see on t.v. and now the only one interviewed. Do you know the name of the other guard who was arrested with him? Wonder if he's still alive & kicking & where he is?


4,473 posted on 06/29/2005 1:30:17 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)
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To: maggiefluffs
From Greta's blog that you posted.... "Mickey was housed in jail for a short time in the cell next to Deepak Kalpoe and spoke to him about Natalee Holloway.......It appears Mickey has not volunteered this information to the police (he is mad at them) and the police have not been clever enough to go back and ask him (maybe an apology would help, too.)

OK, am I the only one amazed that they haven't questioned him, after all he stated this stuff the day he was released for gosh sake!! (except the part about daddy IIRC)

4,474 posted on 06/29/2005 1:39:11 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: WestCoastGal

bookmark


4,475 posted on 06/29/2005 1:41:21 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: maggiefluffs

It's unlikely they have multiple cell towers on an island that's only nineteen miles long and six miles wide.


4,476 posted on 06/29/2005 1:46:02 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: WestCoastGal

No you're not. IIRC, Mickey used the term "they" earlier when interviewed after his release. He is willing to testify, if the Aruban authorities call him as a witness (heard this on Greta' show last night).


4,477 posted on 06/29/2005 1:47:12 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: dc-zoo

http://www.digicelaruba.com/about/

Digicel raised the bar where acceptable levels of network coverage were concerned. By installing some 15 cellular towers throughout the Island, Digicel offers 90% population coverage thus firmly establishing itself as the Number One GSM mobile provider in Aruba.


4,478 posted on 06/29/2005 2:02:55 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs
He was at the casino earlier that night, per Greta, correct? Do we know what time he left?

Yes - it is known he was at the same casino as Joran and Natalee were at. What time he left is unknown at this time by MSM.
4,479 posted on 06/29/2005 2:10:28 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

You should add the 3 withdrawels at the ATM between 3:00 and 3:34 AM.


4,480 posted on 06/29/2005 2:12:12 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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