Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[MAWG]

What?

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway Family threatens to go to media if arrests are not made.

What is your take on the above af_vet_1981?

Is it what a lousy job the LE is doing or could it be more?

[auboy]

I think Joran keeps lying about how he got home because HIS FATHER picked him up and took him home. It must have been after he got home that they decided they HAD to get a cover story together.

Bingo!

[Canadian Outrage]

Do you recall seeing the broadcast that Greta did when she took cameras and I think an Aruban? She was retracing Natalee's steps the night of her disappearance and she was retracing the steps of Joran Vds. When she was outside of Carlos and Charlies she made the statement "That this bar has a terrible reputation right"? It is known that if you slip the bartenders a little cash they will slip some ruffies into a drink for you"!! I thought, hmmm perhaps that's why these guys were saying that Natalee was "drunk". Maybe she really was overdosed. If that happened there would have had to be a mad rush to get a story and hide the evidence until they could dispose of same. This story is just so CONFUSING and DISCOURAGING.

As I watched Greta with Beth in the hotel room last night, I noticed that a lot of spunk seems to have been drained out of Beth. She absolutely sounded weak and despondent. She appeared to have almost nothing left to give. Her voice was even weak. I found it heart wrenching!

[TexKat]

Jug states that he feels that the Aruban LE has switched gears on them. The Twittys feels they are getting vibes that these people just want them to go home.

[auboy]

As I watched Beth show Greta Natalee's bed and belongings last night, it broke my heart.

[Plutarch]

Greta on O'Reilly made a very good point that Bill did not understand. She noted that Joran had a story prepared before Natallee was noted in the media as missing, meaning that Joran knew that "something bad happened" prior to all of the media attention. If Joran had only left her at the beach presuming that she walked back to the HI, then he would not have collaborated with the brothers on a fabricated story to cover their tracks until after the news had come out about her disappearance. This fact therefore seriously implicates all three left in jail.

[af_vet_1981]

What is your take on the above af_vet_1981? Is it what a lousy job the LE is doing or could it be more?

I think they know the vdS clan has Natalee's blood on their heads. The Holloway's have learned that the criminal justice industry is a game being played in which they have few legal options because the rules are in favor of the perps. There is no justice in Aruba. The truth about Natalee and retribution on the perps and their families is more likely to be private, and by Aruban hands if the island howls due to economic collapse.

[Canadian Outrage]

If the father said that Howlin, there is NO WAY this creep should have been released. He needs to be RE-arrested FORTHWITH!! That man has "dirty hands". There is no question. As Beth said, "After that 90 minutes at the VDS home, she HAD the confirmation that she needed that HE was involved and that he had information about Natalee. I feel so sorry for this mother.

[demkicker]

CNN segment entitled: Natalee Holloway Family threatens to go to media if arrests are not made.

Great news! I've suggested just that in my posts #5390 & #4610. Do it Beth & Jug. It's the only chance you have of cracking this thing wide open.

[Canadian Outrage]

I'm stuck at work as the bridge I need to get across had a big accident on it. There is absolutely no point in me leaving the office until the traffic clears.

[cajungirl]

That intereview in the hotel room was the most poignant thing I have ever seen, it was more than heartbreaking but there are no words. It was heart crushing. I don't think I ever felt so sad for a stranger in my life. My heart aches for her.

[af_vet_1981]

I thought, hmmm perhaps that's why these guys were saying that Natalee was "drunk". Maybe she really was overdosed.

Of course she was drugged. She was not the first. She is unlikely to be the last there either, unless of course some aircraft dropped ordinance on that particular restaurant.

Training accident

[Pepper777]

You're exactly right, Canadian. It's the same arrogant behavior that Peterson used when trying to cover-up what he did to Laci.

[Dark Skies]

Ego before truth.

[TexKat]

Nancy Grace reporting that the Kalpoes attorneys have informed the Kalpoe families not to talk to the media.

[Carolinamom]

Heard on Fox that Joran has changed his story EIGHT times. Is this verified or a rumor?

[Canadian Outrage]

God if this isn't REASONABLE SUSPICION I don't know what is. These people are beyond OBVIOUS!! In fact, they appear desperately scared and are attempting to obstruct every avenue and corrupt any and every witness possible!! ARREST BOTH PARENTS!!

[cajungirl]

Sometimes, evil people still take my breath away. It is so unhuman, so unbelievable to me. I can't believe we are of the same species, really. They just seem like aliens to me.

[MAWG]

And you could tell that it was breaking Beths' heart too. You ever spend 4 weeks in Hotel room? Away from family, home, friends and pets? Think about it folks. It is hard. On top of that, you know that your daughter/best friend is probably dead.

BETH IS RIGHT. The father is guilty of murder. At this stage of the game, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to solve this one but, as I have said for 4 weeks now, it's gonna take some strong American pressure to bring this SCUM to justice. It should be clear to everyone that Aruba is a CLOSED SET! Corrupt and self serving. It is time for the Media and American Govt. to step in. To me, Natalee is no less important than Barbara or Jenna Bush.