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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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KEYWORDS: arrestedpaulvds; aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: spectre

And I think a price will be paid by Aruba. This over time will erode their tourist business. Not immediately, but over time.

Aruba is far away, it is a long long flight. I predict people will go to other places. British and American.


5,001 posted on 06/30/2005 8:07:12 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: spectre

I was doing some research on the terrain and there are several caves on the island. One in particular called the "tunnel of love". Perhaps the locals pick up tourists at C&C's and then lure them there. Besides this cave, there are many other more comlpex caves on the island. Pirates used to use them as hiding places. I'm sure the caves are on the list of places to check but I thought I'd mention it anyway. This thread reads like a mystery novel. I sure hope that Natalee's family finds closure before the week is out.


5,002 posted on 06/30/2005 8:07:41 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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bookmark


5,003 posted on 06/30/2005 8:09:36 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I agree, the suspects all seem pretty sure N is gone for good. Well, the sea has given up its dead before, and I pray it does now. If she surfaces or is found somehow with an EQUUSEARCH tech. device in Joran's footlocker, with a rope and a boat anchor from the family dock, he'll have some explaining to do.


5,004 posted on 06/30/2005 8:10:31 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Who is the guy on Fox that comes on after Fox and Friends?

I heard him say this morning that we know that there has been a murder, but we do not have a body. He was questioning his quest regarding whether or not they (Aruba prosecutors) could prosecute without a body.

5,005 posted on 06/30/2005 8:11:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I think you mean Shepherd Smith.


5,006 posted on 06/30/2005 8:13:00 AM PDT by hershey
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To: All

I AM UP AND AWAKE - I AM WORKING ON UPDATING THE THREAD HEADER - I WILL START A NEW THREAD AFTER I FINISH UPDATING THE NEW HEADER - I WILL POST A LINK TO THE NEW THREAD HERE ONCE I HAVE IT UP.


5,007 posted on 06/30/2005 8:13:24 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

After reading that...I'm awake too.


Thanks for all your work.


5,008 posted on 06/30/2005 8:15:02 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: maggiefluffs

If I were a betting man, all my chips would be on PVDS. I believe the VDS's P&A should open a "Criminal(s)Pre-Counselling and Unethical Legal Services Enterprise" (HAPOP) Help A Perp Put Program. NSNR


5,009 posted on 06/30/2005 8:15:29 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: hershey
I think you mean Shepherd Smith.

No not Shepard Smith. I am talking about this morning, the show comes immediately after Fox and Friends.

5,010 posted on 06/30/2005 8:16:04 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: brigette

ok, good morning!!


5,011 posted on 06/30/2005 8:16:51 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Jon Scott?


5,012 posted on 06/30/2005 8:18:10 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: TexKat

John Scott.


5,013 posted on 06/30/2005 8:18:44 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: hershey

Strategy to paint an illicit picture of Natlaee's character. PVDS going that extra mile to discredit anyone or evidence against his "proverbial son."

I wonder if a secret meeting were held with all the top politicos, authorities, and the beautiful people to implement damage control to stonewall this crime? What do you think Hershey?


5,014 posted on 06/30/2005 8:22:50 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Texas searchers find no sign of missing teen

By PETER PRENGAMAN Associated Press Writer The Associated Press

Texas volunteers searched for a missing U.S. teen for a fifth day Wednesday but found no sign of the high school honors student more than four weeks after she disappeared.

Rescuers led a Border Collie tracker dog over large swaths of land while sonar technicians and two scuba divers scoured a handful of coastlines.

The searches, which began Saturday, have allowed the private rescue group to eliminate many areas and prepare for more intense investigations of other places where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway´s remains could be found, said Jessica Marish, assistant director of Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch.

Marish said the group also began a partial pullout from Aruba Wednesday, with nine of the 27 volunteers returning home, including five of the original seven divers and three of the four dogs.

"Many people had to go back to their families and jobs," Marish said. "But we are working on getting more people and dogs back down here."

Marish said the 17 remaining volunteers would be on the Caribbean Dutch island at least through Sunday and possibly longer.

Each day leaders had to assess their chances of finding Holloway against how much money they had to continue working, said Marish, declining to give funding details.

The group came after Holloway´s uncle, Paul Reynolds, asked for help after weeks of massive searches by FBI agents, Dutch Marines, Aruban police and thousands of islanders produced no trace of Holloway, a recent high school graduate from Mountain Brook, Alabama.

Meanwhile Wednesday, friends of the Holloway family in Alabama began a letter-writing campaign seeking more Dutch assistance in the search.

Holloway family friend Sunny Tillman said relatives are distributing e-mails asking people to pen short notes and mail them to the Dutch ambassador in Washington. The suggested text reads:

"America wants to encourage you to do all you can to help find Natalee Holloway by supporting the use of state-of-the-art technology in the investigation, and continuing to lend other technical support to the effort. We all thank you very much for your help and your concern."

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber filed a request Tuesday with the Netherlands to send in a new contingent of Dutch Marines to help in the search.

Spokesman Ad van der Linde of the Dutch Defense Ministry said about 70 Dutch Marines from among several hundred based on the island had assisted in three previous search missions. "They are definitely prepared to provide additional assistance," he said.

As of Wednesday afternoon, they hadn´t rejoined the search, however.

Holloway disappeared the night of May 30, the last day of a five-day graduation trip with 124 classmates. Three young men, including the 17-year-old son of a top justice official on the island, have been arrested in her disappearance, but no one has been charged.

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Associated Press writer Jay Reeves contributed to this report from Birmingham, Alabama.

5,015 posted on 06/30/2005 8:22:54 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: daybreakcoming; kcvl

John Scott, right, thank you.


5,016 posted on 06/30/2005 8:24:29 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: cajungirl

I just saw this clip on FNC this AM--did anyone else note that in the back seat, passenger side, it looked like Satish! I thought these guys were being kept separate.


5,017 posted on 06/30/2005 8:26:05 AM PDT by Tarheel ( Carolina on my mind)
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To: brigette

Thank you Brigette. NSNR


5,018 posted on 06/30/2005 8:28:00 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: brigette; TexKat

Re: Digicel

http://www.digicelaruba.com/products/digiroam.php?ref_page=digiselect

If you don't want to travel with your cellular phone, or if you don't have a GSM cellular, you can rent a phone in Aruba. Contact Charles Croes at 730-0001 for any rental details.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?page=4773#4773

Charlies Croes does not know the Twitty's - he has a friend that was helping the twitty's. This person called Charlies Croes because he owns a cell phone rental co on th island.

Repeat of Greta...

Charlies Croes: There was apparently a cell phone call made and he was calling me, betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, so that is why he called me.

Greta: What time did he call you?

Charlies Croes: About 11:30 (I take it was 11:30 pm Monday night as Charlies Croes met up with the mystery person and the Twitty's after this conversation at a gas station in Aruba.)

Greta: What did he say to you?

Charlies Croes: He told me that he needed my help and I asked him what it was about and he told me that it had something to do with a cellphone and I didn't relate to it anything but work at that point and he said there is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones and I said "ok" and he said it is very very important and I said fine and I asked him to go into further details and he did and I made arrangements to go see him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts?page=4781#4781

Ok... the phone call discussion comes up again in the interview Croes is at the gas station with Beth Twitty. Greta asks Croes if the phone call discussion was brought up while talking to Beth at the gas station. Croes says yes... Greta says after you listen to the call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next.

After that we spoke for awhile then we left...





Just tossing out a few questions:

Who rented the Digicel GSM cell phone?

Could Natalee have rented a cell phone because she could configure her own phone? (There should be a contract.)

Did she place a call to her home and leave a message with the calling information?

Could a call have been placed near the vdS home and picked up by one of the 15 Digicel towers?

Is that why Beth is so certain that Natalee was at the vdS home at 3:15 am?


5,019 posted on 06/30/2005 8:28:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

I say the President has a lot more on his plate than a missing-and-presumed-dead teenager. If the State Department has some sort of liason, then I'd say go for it, but you do not have the POTUS involved in this, or any other similar case.


5,020 posted on 06/30/2005 8:29:20 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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