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Panel on Prison Rape Hears Victims' Chilling Accounts
NY Times ^ | August 20, 2005 | CAROLYN MARSHALL

Posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:38 AM PDT by neverdem

SAN FRANCISCO, Aug. 19 - T. J. Parsell was a lanky pimple-faced adolescent bent on mischief. So when he found a toy gun one evening in 1978 while wandering home from a high school party, he thought nothing of pointing it at a store clerk and grumbling, "Your money or your life."

He got $50 for what he now calls "a stupid impulsive prank." The incident landed the 17-year-old Parsell in an adult jail, where on his first night, an older inmate spiked his drink with Thorazine and sexually abused and raped him.

"While my friends prepared for our high school prom, I was being gang raped," Mr. Parsell testified on Friday to a Congressional commission investigating prison sexual abuse and rape.

Mr. Parsell, now 45, and a successful software executive who lives on Long Island, was one of six victims of prison rape to relate disturbing accounts with a bipartisan panel of The National Prison Rape Elimination Commission here.

"What they took from me went beyond sex," Mr. Parsell said. "They'd stolen my manhood, my identity and part of my soul."

The panel, which also heard from state and federal legislators, law enforcement and prison officials and mental health experts, has been investigating the prevalence, cause and possible solutions to a problem that many experts say has escalated as the prison system is collapsing. Overcrowding, staff shortages and budget cuts have contributed to an often taboo topic.

"As a society, we have an obligation to protect the people we lock up, even though they have harmed society," the commission chairman, Judge Reggie B. Walton of Federal District Court in Washington, said. "Some people say inmates get what they deserve. But they don't think about the overall impact on society."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: barbaralee; bush; georgewbush; lee; prisoners; prisonrape; prisons; rape; sexcrimes
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To: Zack Nguyen

Funny how the liberals care more about the dignity of prisoners than the dignity of their victims.


41 posted on 08/20/2005 11:48:04 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: neverdem

I wonder how many of the posters cheering for or neutral on prison rape would consider the act an intolerable mortal sin if both parties were willing participants?


42 posted on 08/20/2005 11:49:50 AM PDT by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: adam_az
Many are in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. Their only crime? Using an intoxicating substance other than alcohol or tobacco.

To do this, you must engage in criminal behavior to obtain drugs,
Consort with known criminals (pushers)
Often engage in criminal behavior to obtain money for drugs
Unless you are independently rich.
43 posted on 08/20/2005 11:50:53 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Turbopilot

Great question. Sobering that you had to ask, but it's effective.


44 posted on 08/20/2005 11:53:07 AM PDT by jammer
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To: neverdem

17 percent of all inmates in federal prisons are illegal immigrants and that doesn't even include state and local jails. You want to reduce prison overcrowding, there is you answer.


45 posted on 08/20/2005 11:54:49 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: Gunrunner2

If you run an FBI fingerprint check, juvenile records are available.


46 posted on 08/20/2005 11:54:59 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: IronJack
On a scale of 1 (yawn) to 10 (the sky is falling!), how much are we supposed to care?

Well, if you give a 0.5 to Scott Peterson or Natalee Holloway or Michael Jackson, i.e., watched one minute of coverage of any of it, I'd say about an 8.0.

47 posted on 08/20/2005 11:55:41 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Gunrunner2

If Rush Limbaugh goes to prison for drug abuse, does he deserve to be raped?


48 posted on 08/20/2005 11:58:27 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: jammer
Went after the "reporters" bias that he was in effect an innocent man, just a harmless prankster and not the serious criminal that he was. Armed robbery is serious, or didn't you know. The reporter put the emotional hype in the article and I objected. Said what had happened to the bad guy was bad. The whole situation needed to be put in context--the bad guy was a bad guy, not some innocent prankster. "Strong implication". . .only for those that read fast and emote, not think.

Bye-bye, got things to do.
49 posted on 08/20/2005 11:58:28 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: jammer
Great question. Sobering that you had to ask, but it's effective.

It was, wasn't it...

Who was that man that murdered all those nurses in the 60's I believe? That video that came out when he died showed him with breast and partying with drugs and alcohol...while in prison. I wonder how many were outraged that that had happened while he was locked up. He bragged that he had more fun in prison than out.

50 posted on 08/20/2005 11:59:02 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Gunrunner2

Gunrunner2 said:

"Hahahaha"



51 posted on 08/20/2005 12:00:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. have a nice day.)
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To: pbrown

"Who was that man that murdered all those nurses in the 60's I believe?"

Richard Speck. This is a messed up thread btw.


52 posted on 08/20/2005 12:01:14 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: neverdem
Another take on the very concept of prison
I believe is flawed

200 years ago, no one was held in prison, except until they were sentenced
then one of 3 things happened
1. Pay a fine / removal of property / restitution
2. Physical punishment
3. Execution

The very definition of felony was to some degree established around
the presumption of execution for your deed.
53 posted on 08/20/2005 12:02:49 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Gunrunner2
Excuse me. What was the point of your post, then, if not to say that he deserved it? Just to mouth off to say the guy was a criminal, which we all, including the guy, knew?

No. You would not have posted unless you either had a point to make or that you were lonely and just wanted some conversation.

54 posted on 08/20/2005 12:03:02 PM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
Those comments and attitude will go great on the liberals' posters to show how stupid conservatives are.

The stupid ones are the ones who commit crimes knowing the may have to go to prison and "toss the salad".

55 posted on 08/20/2005 12:03:17 PM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: pbrown

Richard Speck?


56 posted on 08/20/2005 12:04:07 PM PDT by jammer
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To: happinesswithoutpeace
That's him...thanks.

You're right, it is a messed up thread.

57 posted on 08/20/2005 12:04:22 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: neverdem

Yep. Prison....still a bad place to go.


58 posted on 08/20/2005 12:04:32 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: adam_az

Losertarian?


59 posted on 08/20/2005 12:05:04 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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To: neverdem

Both cons and libs have signed off on the old-fashioned punishment of hard labor in favor of jail care. What a waste of taxpayers' money.

I say bring back the chain gang and the renting out of convict labor. This would have the dual benefit of bringing in money to the state and reducing the need for illegal immigrants. In return for good conduct, a convict would be permitted conjugal visits.


60 posted on 08/20/2005 12:05:11 PM PDT by trane250
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