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Danforth concerned Republicans too closely tied to religious right
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12476477.htm ^

Posted on 08/26/2005 5:27:21 PM PDT by lunarbicep

ST. LOUIS - Retired Republican Sen. John Danforth expressed concern Thursday that his party is too closely aligned with the religious right.

Danforth, 68, who represented Missouri for three terms in the Senate and resigned earlier this year as U.N. ambassador, spoke during a lunch sponsored by the St. Louis chapter of the Log Cabin Republicans, a national gay Republican group.

Also an ordained Episcopal minister, Danforth told the group that he believes marriage is only between a man and a woman.

"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

Danforth said concerns of conservative Christians, like the high divorce rate and family disintegration, deserve attention, but added, "There is something about a political party adopting a particular religious agenda, a sectarian religious agenda, as its own, that is divisive.

"The purpose of American government, the purpose of our Constitution, is to hold together all kinds of diverse interests in one country," Danforth said.

Danforth's comments echoed those he has made in recent op-ed pieces. He said he has heard back from people, including many Democrats, who share similar concerns.

Danforth said he remains a committed Republican and believes the Democrats are "floundering right now.

"The only thing that holds them together is that they hate George Bush. That's the only thing they're for," he said.

Danforth said the issue of same-sex relationships should not be locked into the Constitution because it is "a matter of community values and social values and needs to be worked out in society."

Images of dozens of same-sex couples racing down courthouse steps in front of television cameras looked wrong, because "it didn't look like anything is being honored," he said.

After Danforth's remarks, several Republicans said they agreed with his point of view.

"The Republican party needs this particular voice heard," said Log Cabin member Bill Jenkins, 45, of Kirkwood.

Gail Elble, 55, of St. Louis, a Democrat who has been in a committed relationship for more than two decades, spoke about how she would like her partner to be able to receive her benefits if Elble should die. She found his speech bigoted against any marriage that didn't fit his own mold of what it should be.

"I don't believe he offered any solutions," said Elble, president of the Gateway Stonewall Democrats, the local branch of a gay Democratic organization.

Danforth left the Senate in 1994. He acted as special counsel leading the 1999 investigation into the 1993 siege at the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas.

President Bush also appointed Danforth as special envoy to Sudan to mediate peace in the civil war. He was named ambassador to the U.N. in 2004.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: christianvote; gop; homosexualagenda; johndanforth; logcabinrepublicans
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

How about a scheme to get the benefits of married people without the sacrifice.

21 posted on 08/26/2005 5:48:16 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Texas Songwriter

.........."he chose". mispelled. sorry.


22 posted on 08/26/2005 5:48:47 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: lunarbicep
What makes this even more curious is that Danforth is an ordained minister (Presbyterian I think).
His family has always held strong religious views and donated a chapel to each of the universities of Missouri and Kansas.

The Danforths were the founders of Ralston Purina Company of St.Louis.

23 posted on 08/26/2005 5:50:01 PM PDT by AntiBurr ("Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam " with apologies to Cato)
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To: lunarbicep

Good riddance to this sap.


24 posted on 08/26/2005 5:54:18 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

There is a method, Senator. It's called "legal contract."

If two people want to share ownership of a house, leave their estates to each other in their wills, or share ownership of a car or a yacht under the laws, all they have to do is get a lawyer to write it up for them.

They can, if they choose, even decide to incorporate, and own their house or other property as a corporation.

All the rest of this nonsense about gay marriage or civil unions is nothing but a subversive effort to undermine our society and impose leftist values on everyone in the name of "tolerance."

25 posted on 08/26/2005 5:55:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lunarbicep
"On the question of civil unions, I believe that we should attempt to work out some kind of method of honoring, respecting and realizing the rights of committed people without calling it marriage," he said.

There is a method, Senator. It's called "legal contract."

If two people want to share ownership of a house, leave their estates to each other in their wills, or share ownership of a car or a yacht under the laws, all they have to do is get a lawyer to write it up for them.

They can, if they choose, even decide to incorporate, and own their house or other property as a corporation.

All the rest of this nonsense about gay marriage or civil unions is nothing but a subversive effort to undermine our society and impose leftist values on everyone in the name of "tolerance."

26 posted on 08/26/2005 5:56:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lunarbicep
"The purpose of American government, the purpose of our Constitution, is to hold together all kinds of diverse interests in one country," Danforth said.

BS.. It is to fleece protect the flock and act pious sincerely as one does it.

27 posted on 08/26/2005 5:59:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: lunarbicep
Danforth was too soft for the UN...that's why Bush insisted on Bolton.

Wrong man for the wrong time for the wrong job.

28 posted on 08/26/2005 6:05:53 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: lunarbicep
Danforth and his new found friend, Christie Whitman....UGH

And in case anyone has not noticed, John McCain is also on Whiman's board of directors of her PAC

29 posted on 08/26/2005 6:20:27 PM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: All
Danforth should be concerned excited Republicans closely tied to religious right, and demon-cRATs are tied to abortion as their Sacrament.

That would be a better title for this article.

30 posted on 08/26/2005 6:21:08 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Cindy Sheehan has ZERO for an IQ.)
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To: lunarbicep

How about concern that the left (a.k.a. Democraps) are always aligned with the enemy.


31 posted on 08/26/2005 6:23:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family were WMD's - He's behind bars & his sons are DEAD!)
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To: AntiBurr
"(Presbyterian I think)."

No, he's an Episcopalian minister.

32 posted on 08/26/2005 6:23:43 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: lunarbicep

Isa 59:19

So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.


33 posted on 08/26/2005 6:26:01 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: Jemian

"I, as a Christian, have a right and even an obligation to do what I can to sway my government to making proper laws. Yes, proper by my definition. I hope that my definition of what is proper is also Biblical."




Absolutely! What I also find amazing as a non-practicing Christian, is how the Left (and people like Danforth) take any moral "judgment" and turn it into a religious-based argument that should be dismissed.

While much morality has a basis in religious doctrine, that doesn't make all morality a religious issue. If it did, liberals should be held to the same standard for trying to enforce their morality on the rest of us.

In fact, the very foundation of their morality is based on their own religious ideals of humanism and secularism. If religion is one's personal/philosophical belief on how one should govern his/her life and relations with others...plus their Deity, than liberalism shouldn't get a pass. Instead of believing in a God, they believe in government; instead of praying to the heavens, some pray to Mother Earth. Heck, even Mussolini described Fascism as a religion.

If morality is religion, than why do liberals get special consideration for the advocacy of their religion; and if it's not, why don't Christians and others get that same consideration.


34 posted on 08/26/2005 6:31:25 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses.)
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To: goldstategop; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; William Creel; MikeinIraq; SmithL; Salvation; ...

Republicans have won three consecutive elections under circumstances that didn't guarantee victory. What's the problem?


35 posted on 08/26/2005 6:50:15 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: BulletBobCo

man in that given context and your comment, thats downright scary....


36 posted on 08/26/2005 6:53:27 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: lunarbicep

Hey Danforth:

In the immortal words of Neal Boortz:

Bite Me!


37 posted on 08/26/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: lunarbicep

Republicans concerned that Danforth is to closely tied to the lunatic fringe of the democrat's extreme left.


38 posted on 08/26/2005 7:02:03 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If John Roberts is unfit for this Supreme Court,-this Supreme Court is unfit for the USA.)
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To: lunarbicep
"The Republican party needs this particular voice heard," said Log Cabin member Bill Jenkins, 45, of Kirkwood.

OK, we heard him. Now let's hear him shut up and crawl back under his rock.

The left is pulling out all the tricks in it's bag to pry the GOP away from the religious right. Is that because the leftists think they're serving a noble cause by trying to separate government from religion? Don't be silly, they know that if the religious right ever breaks with the GOP the Democrats will take all the marbles in the following election, and then neither the GOP nor the religious right will be able to derail their collectivist/humanist agenda.

Those of us on the religious right need the GOP, but the GOP needs us even more. We won't shrivel up and die if the GOP turns it's back on us, but the GOP will never gain enough "moderate" votes by turning against us to even come close to replacing the millions of votes it would lose by alienating us. I just wish that more Republicans in Congress and the administration understood that well enough that they wouldn't ever allow it to happen.

39 posted on 08/26/2005 7:34:56 PM PDT by epow (Vegetarian - old Indian word for "poor shot".)
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To: lunarbicep

John Danforth has never been comfortable with the 'Religious Right'. I believe he's an Episcopal minister, and those folks just aren't that preachy about morality. They are more into 'Social Justice'.


40 posted on 08/26/2005 7:44:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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