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GO GO WHITE SOX, FINALLY WIN
ESPN ^ | Oct 16 2005 | Carlo3b, Chicago southsider

Posted on 10/16/2005 8:52:11 PM PDT by carlo3b

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To: dznutz
It's a friggin game, get over it. Is your psyche soo fragile that you must tear down a great performance so you can feel better. Grow up.

We're already over it, thank you. And yes, your team had a great performance. No denying that. Congradulations. However, you can't ignore that the bad calls helped them. I agree they probably would have won without the bad calls, but it would not have been as lopsided. All of the calls lead to runs at key moments. They could have made the difference between you guys winning in 5 or winning in 6.

241 posted on 10/17/2005 5:10:56 PM PDT by curiosity (Cronyism is not conservative)
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To: curiosity
However, you can't ignore that the bad calls helped them
I'm still not convinced the Josh Paul play was a bad call. The ball appears to change direction as it enters his glove. It was smart baseball on A.J.'s part to run and puzzling to me why Paul didn't just tag him.
242 posted on 10/17/2005 5:25:15 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Intially I thought it was a blown call but after examining the replay the ball has jumped up which is consistent with a bounce off the ground

The point is not whether it hit the ground or not, the point is that he signaled OUT. He tried to say that was his third strike motion, but that didnt match what happened when Molina struck out in the fourth inning of the same game. Monina struck out, the ball bounced. The ump put the arm straight out, and then waited until AJ tagged Molina. When, and ONLY THEN, did he make the "out" signal. Unfortunately for the Angels, the umpire made the out call before any tag was made and then when AJ ran, he second-guessed himself. It doesn't really matter if it hit the ground or not (which I think it hit the top of the glove, but), its the call that was made. Did Escobar proceed to give up a hit?? Yup, but after he stood out on the mound for about 8 minutes while the discussion was going on. He was filthy before that incident and then he got cold.

If that game stays tied (and remember the Angels were up 1-0 games and had only given up a 1st inning unearned run), they are up 2-0 and coming home. Nothing is to say they would have scored, but nothing is to say they wouldnt either. Games should be decided on the field and unfortunately, although it finally was decided on the field with the next hitter, the Angels were given a HUGE setback.

Game 4 was the absolutely worst gme I've seen umpired in my life! Check swing to AJ was a judgement call, so you cant really get on them that much for that one, but that was a HUGE call. The catcher's interference was MONUMENTAL as it turned a bases loaded, one out situation into the end of the inning. Podsednick was out on the pickoff. The guy who stole 2nd base was out by more than a foot. The pitch that was 1 inch away from the CENTER of the plate and called a ball. The jumping grab/tag by Erstad at first was inconclusive, but close. The umps blew 4 calls and had 2 close ones that went the Sox way.

The phantom tag play on AJ in game 5 was not "cheating" as someone on this board idiotically said. It was a brain fart by Escobar. Why did it take three umps 3 minutes to figure out they were wrong?? The home plate ump should have had that figured out in 10 seconds.

The Angels didn't hit the ball, plain and simple. They have no one to blame but themselves for that. Too many first pitch swings allowed the four complete games. A more patient lineup would have gotten into that bullpen, which could have been good or bad. The rainout in NY hurt us tremendously, but Fox had to keep the schedule like it was to raise the revenues.

No one has a crystal ball to see what would have happened if they had gone extra innings in game 2. Unfortunately we didnt get to see it.

There will be NO asterick on the Sox win. They won, they played well. I wont be rooting for them, but who cares.....Go Angels in 2006

243 posted on 10/17/2005 5:45:58 PM PDT by BallparkBoys
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To: BallparkBoys

"Check swing to AJ"
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Sorry, Konerko, right before the 3-run HR


244 posted on 10/17/2005 5:56:25 PM PDT by BallparkBoys
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To: BallparkBoys
"If that game stays tied (and remember the Angels were up 1-0 games and had only given up a 1st inning unearned run), they are up 2-0 and coming home.

I meant, if that game stays tied in the 9th and we win in extra innings, then the Angels are up/ 2-0 and coming home! . Proofreading is our friend...UUUUUGH

245 posted on 10/17/2005 5:59:24 PM PDT by BallparkBoys
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To: BallparkBoys
"If that game stays tied (and remember the Angels were up 1-0 games and had only given up a 1st inning unearned run), they are up 2-0 and coming home.

I meant, if that game stays tied in the 9th and we win in extra innings, then the Angels are up/ 2-0 and coming home! . Proofreading is our friend...UUUUUGH

246 posted on 10/17/2005 5:59:43 PM PDT by BallparkBoys
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To: dznutz

As a Cubbie fan, I think that they should play the World Series at Wrigley Field.. After all, that's the only way that they're ever going to get to play a World Series there.

In all seriousness, I thought the old stadium sucked; at least you can kind of see when sitting in nose-bleed seats in this one. However, the reason that people don't go to Sox games is because the surrounding area sucks unlike Wrigleyville. A stadium right off the expressway in the middle of nowhere, doesn't lead to a good time. At least, they tore down the projects so it's safer there now.


247 posted on 10/17/2005 7:23:36 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Accygirl
However, the reason that people don't go to Sox games is because the surrounding area sucks unlike Wrigleyville.
I guess that weeds out many of the drunks/trouble makers. The owners wanted to make the park experience more family oriented. Do you remember, old Comiskey used to be called the biggest tavern in the city.I think the fans that do show up now are true baseball fans, that go to enjoy a baseball game. Would it be nice to have a few more bars/restaurants in the area, sure. Wrigley is more of a social event, to most who go there, the game is secondary.
248 posted on 10/17/2005 8:20:54 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: carlo3b

Secret insider's tip: the best cracker-crust pizza on the South Side can be had at Vito & Nick's at the corner of 84th & Pulaski.


249 posted on 10/17/2005 10:16:57 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: dznutz

I think that it's just the atmosphere around Wrigleyville that adds to the whole mystic. U.S. Cellular doesn't have that because it's near the expressway and abandoned housing projects. If the Sox end up winning the series, Reinsdorf would be wise to encourage retail investment in that area, because if he doesn't, they still aren't going to outdraw the Cubs.


250 posted on 10/18/2005 4:40:35 AM PDT by Accygirl
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To: Prince Charles
I'll have to check it out on my next visit, it's not too far from Midway Airport.. Remember Reagan's creed, "Trust but Verify"
251 posted on 10/18/2005 5:55:24 AM PDT by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: Prince Charles
Secret insider's tip: the best cracker-crust pizza
Is that what its made of? I grew up two blocks from Vito & Nick's. We used to call those black things on bottom of crust clinkers, I always thought they were bread crumbs. Unique pizza. Used to work at Mc Donalds across street when in high school and after closing we would get a run from Monteys then go to Vitos and ask if they had any duds (pizza's that customer never picked up) We paid a buck for a dud. Those were the days.
252 posted on 10/18/2005 3:13:05 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: Accygirl
Reinsdorf would be wise to encourage retail investment in that area,
Yes he would. The area is changing, just like how the area around Wrigley wasn't so hot back in the 60's 70's and now it is yuppified.
253 posted on 10/18/2005 3:26:03 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: dznutz

Well, it's not actually made from crackers.... the term is used to describe pizza with a thin crispy crust.

It's a good thing I didn't live too close by or I'd be 800 lbs. by now!


254 posted on 10/18/2005 5:56:35 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: getoffmylawn

Hey, Thanks. (I suspect I'll be FROM here in not too distant future too. You never know.)

You know what I was wanting to happen at the end of the season was for Cleveland and Chicago to be in (Cleveland in first, of course, I hope you'll forgive me) and for whoever was second in the Yankees/Red Sox division to lose out on first place AND lose out on the Wild Card too. That would have been the best revenge for me. I can't stand either of them. I never expected Minnesota to be so far back at the end of year.

If the White Sox don't pull an "Indians" in the World Series, there's every reason they should win it. As you say their pitching should carry the day. Just hope their hitting doesn't go south like the Indian's hitting did the last 6 or 7 games of the season.


255 posted on 10/18/2005 8:11:49 PM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: BallparkBoys

I don't agree about the interference call. The runner would have normally given up the out for the run which would have scored so I really don't know why he was complaining. Had he just run he would have beaten the ball and the run would have scored. That would have been a huge run at the time.

I have seen plenty of bad umpiring so don't get to outraged about it. This was a bit more public. As to the call of "out" that happens all the time too. But catchers will now make double sure when they catch balls in the dirt.

Winning ball requires taking advantage of your chances and there has been no one any better at that than the Sox this year. This Pennant may be known as the Year of the Stealing of First.


256 posted on 10/18/2005 8:44:14 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
That '67 club came very, very close.

In 1960, the Sox traded away Norm Cash, Johnny Callison and Johnny Romano. If they had kept those guys, they would have been a powerhouse throughout the 1960's.

257 posted on 10/18/2005 9:43:20 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Brimack34
Ultimately I will always be a Chicago sports fan. If the Cubs vs the Sox WS ever happens in my lifetime I would root for the Cubs, just because of the many, many wonderful times and days spent at Wrigley Field in my young years. Thursday Ladies Day (free admission for women), my Mom would bring us. We then would flip seats and get passes for the next game all season long. 20c bus fare a day for many fun times and memories will always be dear to my heart. Ernie Banks, Randy Hundley, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Glenn Beckert, Adolfo Phillips, Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Jim Hickman, Don Young...:-)
258 posted on 10/18/2005 10:23:12 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
You've brought back many fond memories of attending Cubs games although I haven't lived in Chicago for almost 40 years.

My brother used to take me to games back in the '50's. After a Cubs - Phillies game we saw the Phillies team bus and went up to see the players. I was just a little girl and got on my tiptoes to see into the bus. Amazingly Wally Post came over and twisted my nose. And I remember Richie Ashburn sitting nearby laughing.

The last time I attended a Cubs game was the year before Harry Carey died. I was sitting in the upper deck. When I looked to my left I could see Harry Carey announcing the game. When I looked to my right I could see sailboats along the lakefront. And when I looked straight ahead I could see the street when the balls land when they're hit out of the park. The perfect place to sit at a Cubs game.

259 posted on 10/18/2005 11:09:24 PM PDT by Atlantian
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To: getoffmylawn

you've been silent, figured you had a cardiac arrest...:)


260 posted on 10/25/2005 7:19:10 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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