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Race To Succeed Senator Bill Frist (R-TN) Close, Says Rasmussen Poll
Rasmussen Reports ^ | December 20, 2005

Posted on 12/22/2005 9:50:12 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

Latest poll shows conservative ex-Congressman Ed Bryant leading Congressman Harold Ford, Jr. by a 41% to 38% margin and conservative ex-Congressman Van Hilleary leading Ford by a 41% to 39% margin, but shows Ford leading RINO Chattanooga Mayor Bob Corker by a 42% to 36% margin.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2006; edbryant; election2006; haroldford; polls; vanhilleary
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1 posted on 12/22/2005 9:50:13 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; SmithL; Dan from Michigan; Kuksool; MikeinIraq; AZRepublican; ...

It's interesting that RINO Corker, who is hyped as the most electable candidate, is polling weaker than his conservative rivals.


2 posted on 12/22/2005 9:54:18 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Tennessee can do better than this.
3 posted on 12/22/2005 10:02:31 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I guess I'm still too new to TN politics to know any of those guys.

I wish Zach Wamp would run for that seat.

4 posted on 12/22/2005 10:06:41 PM PST by EricT. (My pastor mentioned Samuel Taylor Coleridge and I thought of Iron Maiden.)
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To: EricT.

This Knoxville guy is voting for Ed Bryant in the primary.


5 posted on 12/22/2005 10:14:43 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; SmithL; Dan from Michigan; Kuksool; MikeinIraq

Is this the same Ford was involved in some kickback/corruption scam or whatever it was some time ago?


6 posted on 12/22/2005 10:17:54 PM PST by AZRepublican
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To: William Creel

I assume you mean Ford won't win?(I hope)


8 posted on 12/22/2005 10:24:06 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: EricT.

I remember Zach Wamp speaking to us at a leadership seminar back in 11th grade about how he supported term limits and about how he was going to bow out of politics when after his term had expired. I'm now 25+ years old. ;) I think that answer may have been more of a Q&A-type scenario than the focus of his speech.

I don't at all hold it against him for hanging on, but it still kind of amazes me to see the guy still around.


9 posted on 12/22/2005 10:25:08 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: tomahawk
Ok a short course on the current state of politics in the Volunteer state.

Harold Ford, Jr. of the infamous Ford family in Memphis is probably about as weak a candidate as the Democrats can run. He is a liberal who is currently in process of changing his stripes at least to purple. The vote on the Iraq war resolution last week as an example. He has huge baggage with both his politics (representing a 75% black district) and his families well known corruption. His uncle was recently indicted and his aunt is currently accused of stealing the election to replace him.

For a Democrat to win in Tennessee he must at least make some kind of showing in heavily Republican East Tennessee and the heavily Republican Nashville burbs. This is what allowed our current Democrat governor to squeak by in 2002. Ford has none of these abilities in these areas because of his liberalism. The Democrat governor also will not be much help next year when he runs for reelection with scandal problems and goof ups of his own.

The GOP also has a weak lineup but Van Hillary or Ed Bryant should be able to beat Ford by about six to seven percent. Corker is not well known outside of Chattanooga and will have to spend big bucks. Unlikely against the congressmen.

Polls this far out are meaningless given that only Ford has campaigned to date mostly on trying to change his stripes.
Not even Chris Matthews and Don Imus can salvage the Ford campaign.
Put Tennessee in the GOP camp next fall.
10 posted on 12/22/2005 10:26:51 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: lawnguy

Ford is very charismatic, but I don't see him taking this one. Some call him a rising star, but I just don't know.

He's from Memphis, which almost carries the smell of corruption with it all the way to the east of state. You tack on his last name, and well, I doubt he can overcome that.

Tennessee is generally red in the central and very red in the east. West Tennesseee is blue, particularly Memphis. I'm hoping the Memphis black turnout is dampened a bit by the Ford family's recent scandals. Then again, who knows with this city.

Anyone heard anything new on Ford's sister, Ophelia and her dead voters and the contested election? If Terry Rowland ends up taking that seat, it could really hurt Jr.'s chances.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 10:32:52 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: AZRepublican

The only worry I have is making sure Ed Bryant wins the nomination. I don't want another Lamar !/Scumquist RINO in the form of Corker. Ford would lose to ANY Republican.


12 posted on 12/22/2005 10:33:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: CheyennePress

The 'Rat/Ford theft of the State Senate seat is currently one of the biggest stories in TN. It is already under investigation. Terry Roland, the one most consider the LEGITIMATE winner, is calling for the election to be overturned entirely. I think the GOP State Senate should merely seat him over Auntie "No Dead Voters Voted For Me !" Ophelia.


13 posted on 12/22/2005 10:35:50 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: CheyennePress
Thank You. I someday want to visit Tenessee.

Ever since Gore failed to win his home state, I've had a soft spot for you folks ;)

14 posted on 12/22/2005 10:37:59 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think this is a clear sign that Ford is way overrated as a candidate. I mean, Ed Bryant, I love the guy, but he didn't even do so well in that 2002 primary.


15 posted on 12/22/2005 10:57:41 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Um, no he isn't.


16 posted on 12/22/2005 10:58:10 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I've seen no evidence, beyond broad generalizations, that Corker is a RINO.

That said, I'm pretty sure I support Bryant in this race.

VanHilerty should be running for Governor again. He shouldn't be making the primary more difficult.



17 posted on 12/23/2005 12:11:16 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Clintonfatigued

Too close for comfort with any of those candidates.


18 posted on 12/23/2005 12:35:26 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: msnimje
Tennessee can do better than this.

Tell it to the White House. Had the White House not coronated Lamar Alexander as the chosen canidate almost before the words "I will not seek re-election" were uttered by Fred Thompson, then Ed Bryant likely would be a U.S. Senator today. The man would have also ran against a person who was a weaker candidate Frank Clement. Hopefully the White House will not spoil it this time with a friend of Poppy again. Ed Bryant would have been far better qualified person for the senate than Lamar Alexander ever will be.

Ed Bryant I will vote for gladly but Lamar Alexander I did not. Truth was Lamar Alexander wasn't that great a governor. He only looked good because the man he replaced was called Pardon Me Ray Blanton {a prison Pardon selling governor} that was so pathetic anyone looked good after that.

Many of us in the Knoxville area remember such deals he helped along like the Whittle Communications building, the 1982 Worlds Fair {that went bust} and two at that time of the biggest banking failures since the Great Depression that clean out a lot of persons life savings. Most of this the city got stuck with and a few more things to boot. Oh yea and his very short tenure as University of Tennessee President.

Now if we can only get Van Hilleary sitting in Alexander's senate seat then after that things might get better.

19 posted on 12/23/2005 1:13:04 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The only worry I have is making sure Ed Bryant wins the nomination. I don't want another Lamar !/Scumquist RINO in the form of Corker. Ford would lose to ANY Republican.

You got that one right. I hope Bush doesn't decide Sundquist would be a good man for the job like he did with Lamar Alexander. Hopefully he will never have the opertunity to serve in elected office again in this state.

20 posted on 12/23/2005 1:16:25 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe
Van Hilary was a no name in West Tennessee. Harold Ford Sr. has now entered the dead voters scandal, so that should help the Republicans.
21 posted on 12/23/2005 1:19:42 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Clintonfatigued

This just in: Harold Ford, Jr., leads 97%-3% among deceased voters.


22 posted on 12/23/2005 1:19:49 AM PST by gg188
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To: mariabush
Van Hilary was a no name in West Tennessee.

True but I would have liked to seen him elected governor. I hate to say this but our current governor the liberal Dem he is has done a lot better job than Sundquist did and far less damage so far. Still Van Hilleary would have been many times better. Politics is weird at times.

23 posted on 12/23/2005 1:27:00 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: fieldmarshaldj

What is up with this Lamar = RINO crap?

He's got an excellent voting record in the Senate, and has had mostly good positions on issues his entire career? Is he a RINO just because he isn't screaming all the time? Give me a break!


24 posted on 12/23/2005 1:33:48 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: cva66snipe
I hate to say this but our current governor the liberal Dem he is has done a lot better job than Sundquist did and far less damage so far.

Don Taxquest was a disgrace and a scumbag. He set the Republican Party back years in Tennessee.

While I am certainly not an expert on state politics, Bredesen seems to be competent and to conduct himself with dignity.

25 posted on 12/23/2005 1:37:28 AM PST by gg188
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To: zbigreddogz
What is up with this Lamar = RINO crap? He's got an excellent voting record in the Senate, and has had mostly good positions on issues his entire career? Is he a RINO just because he isn't screaming all the time? Give me a break!

Lamar has been up to his knees in questionable deeds from his term as governor on including taking donations from a former Dem oppenant who was the head of the Butcher Banking Empire in Tennessee for starters. Source here TN US SENATE: Clement, Alexander trade accusations about roles in Butcher bank failures

The Butcher Brothers were using shell companies they or friends created to shuttle bad loans. Loans also tied into such ill conceived projects as EXPO 82 or the 1982 Worlds Fair. By the time the fair was over the Feds were raiding United American Bank Ran by Jake and Southern Industrial Banking Corp {ran by CH Butcher Jr}. Hard working persons lost all they had in Southern Industrial as it was a Savings and Loan operation.

I will say this much most of the scandals about Alexander were in the papers here years ago. His being chosen by Bush for the GOP senate nod was a political favor. He was by no means the best man for the job.

26 posted on 12/23/2005 1:48:01 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: gg188
While I am certainly not an expert on state politics, Bredesen seems to be competent and to conduct himself with dignity.

I disagree with him on a lot policy wise. But to be fair to him he was left a huge mess Ala Taxquist and squared a lot of it away despite his own party {Dems} opposition. I do wish he'd rescind the Pre-K program. Kids need to be home. Sending a 4 year old off to Public School IMO is insanity and not wise. Budget wise though he is a much better manager.

He did to Tenn Care what no one else would. I honestly think he was ready to shut it down. Hard to find a DEM willing to do that. I think he must have put some of Ned Rays cronies running the HMO's on notice :>}

Overall he's been better than about any governor I can remember and I was born here in the 1950's. But if Van Hilleary goes for it again I'll vote for Van Hilleary again.

27 posted on 12/23/2005 2:53:04 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: CheyennePress

What is it with these rich kids turning to politics?
Rockefeller, kennedy, ford, coors, kerry, all these rich fools running with daddys money. That sure doesn't make them have any brains.
I mean what the hell have they ever done?
I'd rather have a politician rooted in the real world, not some punk like algore who thinks he should be elected by birthright.


28 posted on 12/23/2005 4:07:21 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: CheyennePress

....I'm hoping the Memphis black turnout is dampened a bit by the Ford family's recent scandals......

As in "He may be black and he may be a crook, but he's our black crook"


29 posted on 12/23/2005 4:13:35 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Slay Pinch)
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To: Clintonfatigued
It's interesting that RINO Corker, who is hyped as the most electable candidate, is polling weaker than his conservative rivals.

Why not? People prefer Democrat to Democrat Lite. Run as a conservative and win.

30 posted on 12/23/2005 5:36:31 AM PST by NeoCaveman (The United States Senate is the best evidence for unicameralism)
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To: Patrick1; All

I hate to say it but race could be playing a factor in the polling data.

In polling, black candidates show better numbers than they do on election day.

People who are polled are afraid they'd they'd be thought of as racist so they say that they'll vote for candidate X (the black candidate). In the voting booth, they vote a different way.


31 posted on 12/23/2005 6:03:26 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: CheyennePress

I was one of the voters that put Wamp into office back in '94. I am actually glad that he has stayed. I think he would make a terrific senator for TN.


32 posted on 12/23/2005 6:05:49 AM PST by EricT. (My pastor mentioned Samuel Taylor Coleridge and I thought of Iron Maiden.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Put Ford in as Senate Majority leader. Nobody will notice any difference.


33 posted on 12/23/2005 6:07:54 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Ford would lose to ANY Republican.

The problem in this state semms to be getting a Republican to run. Jim Cooper ran completely unopposed in my distrct for the U.S. House. In Nov. '04, I only voted for president since there was no way I was going to add another vote to a 'Rat with no GOP opponent.

35 posted on 12/23/2005 6:23:12 AM PST by EricT. (My pastor mentioned Samuel Taylor Coleridge and I thought of Iron Maiden.)
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To: gg188
While I am certainly not an expert on state politics, Bredesen seems to be competent and to conduct himself with dignity.

I just moved back to TN from CA in late 2003. That was just before the CA voters kicked that crooked, incompetent Gray-out Davis out of office mid-term. I have been mostly impressed with Bredesen as a Governor. I tell my family in CA that my Democrat Governor is more conservative than their Republican one. That doesn't mean I'll vote for him though.

36 posted on 12/23/2005 6:32:44 AM PST by EricT. (My pastor mentioned Samuel Taylor Coleridge and I thought of Iron Maiden.)
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To: William Creel
Whamp isn't that conservative, he was a proponent of campaign finance reform, and hasn't opposed things like the budget, and strongly supported pork and budget cutting like Pat Toomey, Scott Garrett, and that guy from Indiana.

Jimmy Duncan IMO would be a fine senator also. He's stood alone against the party on key issues when needed. The senate needs such persons badly. He's a quiet one you don't hear much about but overall he's been a good congressman.

38 posted on 12/23/2005 10:56:49 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: William Creel
Whamp isn't that conservative, he was a proponent of campaign finance reform,

Well that's enough to lose my vote. I was willing to let him slide on the term limit thing, but abridging free speach is a big no-no.

39 posted on 12/23/2005 11:13:59 AM PST by EricT. (My pastor mentioned Samuel Taylor Coleridge and I thought of Iron Maiden.)
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To: cva66snipe

The evidence you present is spotty at best. And even if so, that doesn't make him a RINO.

He was the best man for the job in terms of experience, and in terms of how easily he won the seat. Since then, he's had a solid voting record. I'm not going to get into some kind of personality debate as to if he's an effective manager or tactition or whatever, but I think it's a bit naive to think that a former 2 term Governor wasn't a better bet when you are trying to win back control of the senate then a Congressman who hadn't won a statewide office.

And if anybody has a legitimate reason to be upset with him in the Senate since his election, I haven't heard it.





40 posted on 12/23/2005 11:23:59 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: fieldmarshaldj; dubyaismypresident

Ed Bryant seems to be the logical choice, particularly from a geographic point of view. Tennessee had a long tradition of electing one Senator from western Tennessee & one from eastern Tennessee. Lamar Alexander is from the eastern portion of the state. Ed Bryant is the only GOP candidate from western Tennessee, and has name I.D. in the northwestern portion of the state (Jackson), which is a swing area politically. It also helps that he's the most conservative candidate in the race.

These two factors combine to make Bryant the best choice both ideologically and politically.


41 posted on 12/23/2005 11:35:51 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: zbigreddogz
The evidence you present is spotty at best. And even if so, that doesn't make him a RINO.

Ok here you go then try these reasons. Like I said I live here and these were news articles I remember when they happened. Lamar Alexander's Skeleton Closet What got him elected was voters with very short memories and being a former Bush SR Cabinet Member. You don't live in the city that got stuck with the Whittle Communications building, The US Pavilion, the Sunsphere, a debt that our grandkids will pay on because of it, etc. Alexander had some very questionable deals. His association with the Butcher Brothers among them.

So what do I know about politics? Well let's put it this way. If those banks had not failed Bill Clinton likely would not have ever been POTUS but neither would had Lamar. So guess who was being readied for a political career? Hint Alexander defeated him once and got his campaign financial support for the second term as governor. Local, state, & regional politics, had a few key persons pulling the puppet strings in both parties.

What you don't know is during the early 1980's both parties shafted this area with questionable deals.

42 posted on 12/23/2005 11:43:49 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

The site you linked to is straight out of the Michael Moore playbook. Absolutely nothing but inuendo and guilt by association nonsense.

If you don't like the guy, fine. But his voting record and statements as a Senator have been fine with me, and you are gonna have to do a lot better then that to actually convince me that there is anything but political sniping going on here. You know the criticism is worthless when they start attacking his flannel shirt.


43 posted on 12/23/2005 11:53:11 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
Here's you another one. Bryant Says Tennesseans Taxed Enough Funny thing about this is we now have a Liberal Dem governor and he has not tried to put through a state income tax. Poor management on the part of former governor Sundquist-R was the reason the state income tax issues came up Taxquist was with this like many other liberal issues obsessed with trying to push it through. So hey Lamar was the state income tax actually needed or where you just returning favors to friends by supporting it? Lamar is not now nor ever has been a Conservative.

Like I said before Bryant should have had Alexanders Senate Seat and George W Bush was one of the biggest reasons he didn't get it.

44 posted on 12/23/2005 12:16:05 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: zbigreddogz
The site you linked to is straight out of the Michael Moore playbook. Absolutely nothing but inuendo and guilt by association nonsense.

It was news during the mans brief stay in Tennessee. I remember reading the stuff in what was then a CONSERVATIVE Knoxville news paper. Alexander associated with a lot of persons who took Knoxville to the cleaners. Some were Dems some were GOP. Somehow some way though the taxpayer always got to pick up the cost like the Worlds Fair, The two major bank failures {he was governor then BTW} and it was the feds and not the state who stepped in, The Whittle Building, the Sunsphere, the US Pavilion and had you ever seen it the White Elephant as we locals called it was a useless ugly monstrosity that was an eyesore for years to come.

BTW if you ever go through downtown Knoxville on I-40 and wonder what that big ugly copper colored ball on top of a tower is? It's a shrine to political arrogance!!! It's been there since 1982 and serves no useful purpose whatsoever.

45 posted on 12/23/2005 12:27:09 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

1. What the heck does Sundquist have to do with Lamar?

2. No, he's not. All Alexander had to do was enter the primary, and the seat was his. A former Governor, former Presidential candidate is going to beat a 4 term congressman every time.


46 posted on 12/23/2005 12:36:36 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
1. What the heck does Sundquist have to do with Lamar?

Didn't read the article did you? Sundquist-R will go down in history as being Tennesse's second worst governor second only to a clemency & pardons selling felon governor. Sundquist was about a Republican governor being a liberal. He was loved so much by the Democratic Party they ran wallflower candidates against him. Alexander like George Bush endorsed Sundquist policies. When you consider who to vote for see who's backing them and who they back as well.

It would not surprise me one bit if in the next few months Sundquist decides to run for Frist seat. And you know what? Bush will dump on Ed Bryant faster than you can say Long time Friend of Poppy.

2. No, he's not. All Alexander had to do was enter the primary, and the seat was his. A former Governor, former Presidential candidate is going to beat a 4 term congressman every time.

Had the White House not jumped the gun maybe not. Bryant could have defeated Clement. But if you'll recall the GOP hierarchy didn't give him a chance. Alexander was given the nod in DC before Fred even offically announced his retirement. The White House was behind Alexander in the primaries and we lost a good conservative because of it.

47 posted on 12/23/2005 12:53:01 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: lawnguy

Who said Gore failed to carry his home state ? He carried the District of Columbia handily.


48 posted on 12/23/2005 6:09:17 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I agree. I find this poll totally credible--Ford will get 41%, and perhaps even a little more!


49 posted on 12/23/2005 6:11:31 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: zbigreddogz

Big Red, I'm glad you've come around on seeing the light in Rhode Island. We've got to bring you around elsewhere.

Now, as for Corker... He most certainly is a RINO. As a Tennessean, I've watched his career with great interest. When he ran as an unknown developer against a (politically) unknown heart surgeon named Bill Frist, I voted for him. Why ? Because I thought Frist would have his ass handed to him by the horrid Jim "Daff-uh-Zit" Sasser.

After Corker lost the Senate nomination in '94, he went to work for the Scumquist Administration, where apparently he did such an "impressive" job, the DEMOCRATS tried to recruit him to run for Governor (yeah, that's when my RINO radar detector started to go off). He quit his job there and returned to Chattanooga where he ran for and won the Mayorship in 2001. He proceeded to do precisely zilch for the Republican party there and effortlessly helped a liberal Democrat succeed him just this past year.

His "firm" positions on issues remain nebulous, and he has never shown much affinity for Conservative positions while in the public eye (if anything, he seems to the LEFT of Lamar!). He is very much a Scumquistite RINO with NADA support of the real grassroots, and is attempting at the present time to buy a Senate seat he has demonstrated he is not entitled to as a Republican NOT in good standing.


50 posted on 12/23/2005 6:19:01 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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