Teen Mother Ruled A Sex Offender

KUTV ^ | 12/31/2005

[Clint Williams]

SALT LAKE CITY The Utah Court of Appeals is upholding a judge's refusal to dismiss a sexual abuse allegation against a 13-year-old Ogden girl who became pregnant by her 12-year-old boyfriend.

The appeals court on Friday ruled that the law's ``rigorous protections'' for younger minors include protecting them from each other.

The decision leaves the teens in the position of each being both a victim and a perpetrator in the same offense.

[familyop]

Trial set for man charged in 2 sex offenders' deaths
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1549889/posts

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

"Welcome to the new conservatism."

I think you have it backwards. This is a leftist/liberal trend, not a conservative trend. The whole idea of "sex offender" has run amuck by stupid definitions and stupid judgements.

[muir_redwoods]

"The decision leaves the teens in the position of each being both a victim and a perpetrator in the same offense."

Ummm, uhhhh, What???

Oh, I get it, kind of like people who vote for democrats.

[Maigrey]

As a relative of a minor in this situation, I can relate. He's 14, she was 12. they were caught by the principal of the school where it happened, and he was charged with statutory rape.

They prosecutor kept delaying the court session, and finally, our family had enough of the delay, and asked that the trial begin. The family then wanted the charges changed from statutory rape to assault. The judge threw it out, but also gave the family member in question a warning: if I see you again, ever, you will go to a juvenile facility for boys, till you are 21.

Needless to say, he's been 100% different since.....

[little jeremiah]

I don't know if you're replying to me, I don't have a current tagline. If someone acts like a slut, what's the harm in saying it? If she were my daughter, I'd be disgusted at her behavior, and I would do my best to steer her in a better direction.

Of course, abortion is not the answer at all.

And why do you call me a hypocrite?

BTW, you didn't address the points in my comment.

[cva66snipe]

Unless a rape occurred or the boys parents refuse to help support the child, this situation is none of the courts business. The children are the parents responsibility. I would definitely as a parent have both of them highly involved in the child's care meaning feedings, diaper changes, etc. I would make both of them face the cause and effect of their actions.

Yea they did wrong morally {child out of wedlock} but not criminal except by over reaching laws and overzealous officers of the court. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the state should help them raise their kid as their parents should have that responsibility financial wise.

I would say a good number of posters in here over age 45 had grandparents who married very young as well as had kids. The difference then was there was often 3 or more generations living in one home and all pitched in for the good of the family.

Making them sex offenders {which should be reserved for rape, molest ion, and such INVOLUNTARY acts done against persons. This is as stupid as two men in my state as minors having lifetime felony charges on their record from back in the 1950's over possession of moonshine who just received a presidential pardon. Where is common sense? Our courts it seems has lost all common sense as to what constitutes an actual sex offense. From what I gather now relieving ones bladder in an emergency {as in bursting bladder no facilities nearby} can constitute such charges also.

[cva66snipe]

The law goes from one extreme to the other. While prosecutors waste time & effort on family issues such as this one, how many real perps {predators} needing a day in court go unpunished?

[cva66snipe]

Judges have gone insane and they should be institutionalized.

You post is very ironic insight to what used to happen to unwed teens. With these type of laws we are headed in a dangerous direction backwards. I used to work in a county ran nursing home. A sizable portion of the patients were simply women who in their youth had a child out of wedlock and their families with the help of the court placed them and child in many cases in mental institutions.

When the courts started tossing patients out of mental institutions they became wards of the state & were placed in nursing homes.

I don't think we need to return to those good old days that's for certain. The state was just as wrong on the matter then as it is now.

[Nowhere Man]

I like this saying, "the law is not sacrosanct", as laws made by man cannot be. Some in this post think that by showing Christian love and compassion to those who break convention they are somehow condoning bad behavior. They think that I am fearful of "judging" by showing compassion. That is not the case. I can and do freely judge the words and actions of others around me. We all do by the things we do or do not do, and the places we go or do not go. However, "judging" should not be confused with calling somebody a "whore" or other pejorative that makes that person less than human, and then by lack of humanness open for the most vile of persecution. The laws of man are not sacrosanct. Only the laws of God are that. I am not God, therefore I cannot judge as does God. My opinions are just that, opinions, not divine utterances. But still I do judge based on how I understand the Bible and Gods word. But don't confuse me with Phelps or other people who hate in Gods name.

Yeah, it can be a fine line at times. There are times you have to be judgemental but in away thar condemns the behaviour of the person you are trying to reach but in away that you can reach out to them and hopefully convince them to take the right path. In short, if you say, "you'll burn in Hell" all the time, it will be seen as being hateful and just drive the person further away instead of helping them which is the goal. Unfortunatly, we will never save everyone but we can save more people by not being so condescending. Phelps is hurting us more than helping us to put it in a nutshell.

[Adrastus]

Nope. But experience with that age group has taught me that the price of inattention is disaster.

[Nowhere Man]

I would say a good number of posters in here over age 45 had grandparents who married very young as well as had kids. The difference then was there was often 3 or more generations living in one home and all pitched in for the good of the family.

My grandmother told me such a story, her uncle on her mother's side came over here, he was a violinist that played on a concert level, one story is that he had a Stradavarius. Well, he came over from Russia (my great grandmother was a Russian Jew) as a child be having a Jewish family in New York City bringing him over to live. Well, he got older married and at one time was charged with bigamy. He was found innocent but he ended up divorced. Well, by the time he was 45 or 50, he established himself on a right track and he ended up finally settling down and marrying a young lady of 16 to 18 years old where they met through a lady who was a matchmaker in the Jewish community. He had a family and so on. Of course society in general and especially so with the old time Jewish community, there was a structure and set of rules that supported such a system. David Sarnoff, who founded RCA and NBC was in his early 30's IIRC when his mother along with another Jewish family, matched him up wiuth his wife who was around 17 or 19 when she married him.

[cva66snipe]

My grandmother told me such a story, her uncle on her mother's side came over here, he was a violinist that played on a concert level, one story is that he had a Stradavarius. Well, he came over from Russia (my great grandmother was a Russian Jew) as a child be having a Jewish family in New York City bringing him over to live. Well, he got older married and at one time was charged with bigamy. He was found innocent but he ended up divorced. Well, by the time he was 45 or 50, he established himself on a right track and he ended up finally settling down and marrying a young lady of 16 to 18 years old where they met through a lady who was a matchmaker in the Jewish community. He had a family and so on. Of course society in general and especially so with the old time Jewish community, there was a structure and set of rules that supported such a system. David Sarnoff, who founded RCA and NBC was in his early 30's IIRC when his mother along with another Jewish family, matched him up wiuth his wife who was around 17 or 19 when she married him.

I had great aunts who married men much older than them. The sad part of it really is though it made for young widows. If many in here went digging into their genealogy they would likely find many big surprises in the good old days :>} .

[Nowhere Man]

I had great aunts who married men much older than them. The sad part of it really is though it made for young widows. If many in here went digging into their genealogy they would likely find many big surprises in the good old days :>} .

Yeah, I found another surprise, my grandmother and grandfather on Mom's side married in West Virginia (we are from Pittsburgh and still live here) in 1935. I know my grandfather was married beforeand he divorced his first wife. IIRC, I believe when they first met, my grandmother used to play cards with my grandfather andhisfirst wife when he was still married to her. I knoe when they married, he was 33 and my grandmother was 22, almost 23.

[AD from SpringBay]

My wife was a bastard. I guess she should have been aborted.

That's a bit harsh.

[Teacher317]

Shall we start stoning the child now, since so many FReepers take so much delight in castigating those labelled as "sexual offenders"?

[billbears]

Well I suppose you did nothing wrong before you came of age? That statement was not only uncalled for, it was crude and reprehensible. I wish this wouldn't have happened to the two young adults as it will cause strain for at least several years, on their relationship as well as growing up. But my thoughts and prayers go out to them.

Getting back to you though, of course you never did anything out of sorts did you? I imagine you didn't have time, between your lessons of learning to walk on water...

[Don_Ret_USAF]

When My youngest son was five. He and a neighbor girl of the same age where playing in the backyard. Every so often we would see what they were up to. We found them do it for the whole world to see. The girls mother said "If her daug became PG she would no make my son marry her daug. We all laughted about it. Called out to them to come and have snack. No one made a big deal out of this. So I guess we should have banned them both SEX OFFENDERS right their. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! To this day both of the children are happy married to someone else and have fine children of their own. I am sorry to hear what that stuck on stupid judge did. God bless them both and bring them piece, joy, and help in raising the little one. Happy New Year to All!

[JoJo Gunn]

If she were my daughter, I'd be disgusted at her behavior, and I would do my best to steer her in a better direction.

Oh yeah, you'd steer her in a better direction by calling her a "little whore", ain't that right?

Don't try and weasel out of this, hypocrite. Here's what you said in post 76, and nobody could miss your approval of that moron calling her a little whore, not could they miss your pompous and pious mewling of self righteous condemnation, (hence you're being just another dime store hypocrite):

There seems to be a grave misunderstanding here. Some people think it is wrong or not conservative or Phelps-like to make judgements about peoples' behaviors.

But, you are also making judgements - about someone's comments. What's the difference?

Hint: None. Except that trublu's comment makes sense, as it is based on observable behavior (reprehensible behavior, worthy of condemnation), and your self-righteous condemnation of his condemnation is borne of the asinine philosophy of so-called moral relativism - "There is Nothing Wrong Except Saying Something Is Wrong."

Make sure you hold your head high this fine Sunday morning, you hypocritical sewer dweller. How about standing up in front of the congregation and tell them you approved of some fellow sewer dweller calling 13 year old a little whore?

[Salamander]

*sigh*


:::quietly pounds head on keyboard:::

[little jeremiah]

I really think you should calm down, maybe take a nice tub bath with some lavender oil, drink some hot Ovaltine, and take it easy for a while.

You sound like a heart attack candidate.

What, btw, is a whore? Is there such a thing?

Maybe you should look for some anger management counselling (or would it be substance abuse counselling? Or both.)