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Scott Thomas update: mom's guardianship continued!
Scott's fight website ^ | 1/3/06 | Pamela Patton

Posted on 01/03/2006 2:43:26 PM PST by cyn

Pamela's guardianship renewed for another six months!  Please see "Scott's News" for more information. (continued at link)

http://scottsfight.com/Scott's%20News.htm

January 3, 2006

Today was the long-anticipated status hearing on guardianship for Scott. 

The hearing took place in judge's chambers with Pamela and her attorneys and Eliza and her attorneys.  Pamela presented the judge with information that she has now filed with the court to have Scott declared "partially capacitated".  This means, at the very least, that he would then be allowed to indicate his preferences for his social environment, such as who is allowed to visit.  He has repeatedly indicated that he does not want to see Eliza, but he does wants to see his son.  

Pamela also informed the judge that, after Scott is legally determined to be "partially capacitated",  they would be filing for a divorce for him.  [emphasis mine]

  Eliza indicated to the judge that she would fight any divorce proceedings. 

The final item that Pamela presented to the judge is that Scott is scheduled for surgery to close his tracheotomy opening, which should allow him to regain his ability to speak and make sound. 

Based on all the above information, Judge Wilkes ruled to grant Pamela another six months of full guardianship of Scott.  This will be a crucial time for Pamela and Scott, as they continue to work, not only for Scott's recovery, but for him to regain the right and ability to truly "speak for himself".

Please continue to join us in prayer and other support for Scott and Pamela as they continue the battle for LIFE.



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To: All; 8mmMauser; Floridavoter

Bump to Post 783.

I sent a link of this story to priestsforlife.org.

Let's get the word out.

It seems you better not even go to Florida for a week's vaction, let alone live there - especially if you are at an age when you could have a stroke.


801 posted on 01/31/2006 11:35:30 AM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; amdgmary; tutstar; pickyourpoison; Dante3; Ohioan from Florida; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1551314/posts?page=783#783

Hi, 8 mm -- I'm just seeing this. Is there any further information or update out?

I suggest posting this as its own thread -- as much as is ok, then link to Gazette. Perhaps we can get more info from someone in Port Charlotte, or someone in Cincinnatus, NY area. I'd like to have further info, this is just a start.

*Thanks* to the Gazette for researching & printing this story -- has this been passed on to Diane at WND and others?


802 posted on 01/31/2006 11:37:22 AM PST by cyn
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To: Sun

// Let's get the word out. // yep


803 posted on 01/31/2006 11:39:14 AM PST by cyn
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To: floriduh voter
Do you mean this one?

Greer’s illegal TV ad

804 posted on 01/31/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Amazing the illegal acts Greer has gotten away with.


805 posted on 01/31/2006 11:48:38 AM PST by Dante3
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To: floriduh voter
That "except where the mother's life is in danger" is a big loophole. Abortion docs will come up will all sorts of reasons that the pregnancy is endangering the mother's life.

All they will have to do is say that the pregnancy has depressed the mother and she may kill herself if the pregnancy isn't terminated.
806 posted on 01/31/2006 12:21:33 PM PST by russesjunjee (Islam and the mainstream media worship the same master...)
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To: 8mmMauser

Prayers for Ted Stith Sr.


807 posted on 01/31/2006 1:09:29 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: All; cyn
And here's the e-mail for Florida Right-to-Life: frtl@earthlink.net Maybe they can help save him for dehydration. Here's the link for those who haven't seen it: http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/013006PlayingGod.html
808 posted on 01/31/2006 1:41:43 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: floriduh voter

Please check out my post #801 because I typed your name wrong. :)


809 posted on 01/31/2006 2:00:12 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: All; floriduh voter; 8mmMauser

I wonder if the ADF can help Ted and other people who are dehydrated to death:

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/013006PlayingGod.html

I contacted them about Ted.


810 posted on 01/31/2006 2:03:16 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: cyn; BykrBayb; Sun; floriduh voter

On the Ted Stith story,

So far that is the only reference we have. I have not seen the story anywhere else. Am keeping watch.

8mm


811 posted on 01/31/2006 2:33:14 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Bobby Schindler, Terri's younger brother, wrote the following letter in response to a reporter's article published by the Boston Globe.

Response to Cathy Young of the Boston Globe

Dear Ms. Young,

I writing in response to your column, “Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo”.

After reading all of the dishonesty that you purport as truths in regard to my sister Terri, I have to say that this is not only the most irresponsible article that I have yet to read from the media regarding Terri’s situation, but possibly the most egregious.

You wrote that, “Schiavo had been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and had undergone a barrage of tests showing that she had no higher brain functioning and no consciousness – a fact on which all unbiased medical experts agreed.”

I want to know how you’ve researched Terri’s case, and how you’ve obtained this information. Could it be that you’ve gathered your ‘facts’ from the other opinion pieces similar to the one you’ve written about Terri?

If you are referring to autopsy that ostensibly proved that Terri was PVS, then you are entirely wrong. The Independent Medical Examiner who performed the autopsy, Dr. Jon Thogmartin, went to great lengths to caution those reviewing Terri’s autopsy that a post-mortem, forensic examination could neither confirm nor refute a diagnosis of persistent vegetative state. This is because PVS is a clinical diagnosis based on the behaviors of a living patient and not forensic pathology.

Moreover, Dr. Stephen Nelson – a consulting pathologist who assisted Dr. Thogmartin with the autopsy report – admitted that, while Terri’s symptoms were consistent with PVS, he could not rule out the possibility that Terri was in a minimally conscious state.

And there are numerous pathologists and physicians that have responded to the autopsy finding as being misleading and ambiguous. This information could have been and still can be easily provided to you.

I wonder if you were you aware that – as indicated in Terri’s medical records – she was talking when given rehabilitation in the months following her injury? This completely refutes the PVS diagnosis.

Additionally, did you know that there were more doctors on record with the court (from some of the most distinguished institutions from across the country) stating that Terri was not in PVS than there were doctors that said she was? Furthermore, most of these affidavits (there are more than 42 in total) submitted by these doctors said that if Terri was given proper therapy, her functioning capacity could have improved. Why was this never reported by the media?

Did you know that a recent British Medical Journal has reported that nearly 43% of all PVS diagnoses are, in fact, misdiagnoses? Based on this report, the Independent Medical Examiner findings, the sworn testimony and affidavits of over 42 physicians, neurologists and other healthcare professionals contradicting that Terri was in PVS, I believe it is incredibly reckless for you to make the sweeping statement that Terri was PVS.

The fact that my sister received no therapy for more than thirteen years, which also was rarely if ever reported by the media, only added to the deterioration of her condition. No autopsy report could have ever determined how much Terri would have improved if she was receiving proper rehabilitation and therapy during the past thirteen years.

To make the statement that, "...all unbiased medical experts agreed” as to the condition of my sister is so completely disingenuous that the only conclusion I can draw is that you did absolutely no research into the doctors that evaluated Terri.

Dr. Ronald Cranford, hired by Michael Schiavo, has testified in almost every major case that the removal of the feeding tube should be permitted. He even takes pleasure in the moniker, Dr. Humane Death. To call him ‘unbiased’ is like calling Rush Limbaugh a liberal democrat. And one of the other doctors that testified in my sister trial, Dr. Peter Bambakidis, was later discovered as having ties to same organization as Michael Schiavo’s attorney George Felos.

But aside from all this, what is really sad is that your article and so many others like yours does nothing but discriminate against the disabled by labeling them with this dangerous and subjective PVS diagnosis. The PVS diagnosis was created for one reason and to serve only one purpose – to kill those that are the weakest and most vulnerable among us.

No amount of damage to the brain or level of disability should give anyone the authority to kill. But this is exactly what you are saying - and is now happening all the time - that we can justify the killing of human beings because they have reached a level of profound brain damage that is unacceptable for us to care for them anymore. So, tell me, how long do you give Haliegh to improve before you give up on her and decide that she must die?

What is really shameful though is that I have to respond to articles like yours and defend my sister’s life and explain why her family should have been permitted to love her.

Columnist Nat Hentoff commented on the media and how they have handled my sister’s case. He said that it was so shoddy and inaccurate that it was the worst case of ‘journalistic malpractice’ that he’s seen in 25 years.

It continues.

Bobby Schindler

Response to Cathy Young of the Boston Globe

812 posted on 01/31/2006 7:35:09 PM PST by amdgmary
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To: 8mmMauser

thanks.


813 posted on 01/31/2006 7:52:27 PM PST by cyn
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To: 8mmMauser; sweetliberty; JulieRNR21; tutstar; eeevil conservative; wildandcrazyrussian; ...
TED STITH WANTS TO LIVE. He's been without food and water for 8 days. He said he wanted to live and he is starving!

Can you ping your lists???

Ted might not last much longer.

CAN SOMEONE CONTACT NEWSMAX AND WORLD NET DAILY who already has a relationship with them?

814 posted on 01/31/2006 7:53:10 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Salvation; NYer; nickcarraway
{ls see my last post. Florida's at it again. Ted Stith wants to live but he's in day 8 of being starved and dehydrated to death.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Put them right on the forum instead of via freepmail.

815 posted on 01/31/2006 7:55:00 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Sun

Florida is the starvation state. Is there any doubt now? Ted wants to live. He said so. How can his son just have him starved to death?


816 posted on 01/31/2006 8:08:31 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: cyn

Ted no food or water for EIGHT DAYS. That's the latest.


817 posted on 01/31/2006 8:09:16 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: cyn
Freepers, please take the time tomorrow to call The Thomas Moore Law Group for Ted Stith.

(734) 827-2001

"It's happening again in Florida. Another starvation/dehydration against the patient's wishes."

818 posted on 01/31/2006 8:10:56 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: amdgmary

Way to go, Bobby!

He is so eloquent. Reporters would do well to take lessons from him.


819 posted on 01/31/2006 8:11:40 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: floriduh voter

It is yet another disgusting story of the lack of compassion for the disabled and elderly. Dying with dignity my @ss! Dignity would at least include friends and family at your bedside. This son is so caught up in himself, that he cannot lower himself to be with his father in what could be some of his last days. Instead, he turns and runs like a coward, not wanting to see the way he is hurting his father by his decision. His actions show that he is somewhat aware that death by dehydration won't be pleasant to watch.


820 posted on 01/31/2006 8:18:37 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Ted said he wanted to live. How can a son take Ted's right to live away from him and the people who are starving Ted apparently aren't aware of Ted's desire to stay alive?

Anyway, Jeb Bush's phone number is on my tag line. Maybe Jeb needs some calls too. It's getting out of hand...if the United States doesn't condone torture, there's sure a lot of it going on in Florida.

821 posted on 01/31/2006 8:23:25 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
APPALLING. excerpt from www.northcountrygazette.org

"The man was responding", Vinson says, "it's baby steps but he was responding. He would take my hand if I told him to, he was responsive to commands. They allow you a swab to wipe the lips off--he would take it from my hand, put it in his mouth and suck for all he was worth. He could raise his hands, raise his legs, hold his leg up on command. At one point, someone told him to pick up his right arm which he can't do so he took his left arm over and picked up his right. One of the doctors came in Sunday morning and asked me how I am and I said well, you know at this point I'm not fine. He said what's the problem and I said this man doesn't belong here. He says why do you say that and I said because of all the things that he can do. He said, well, what can he do?"

"What would impress you", Vinson said to which the doctor responded, 'to hear him speak".

FV says: Ted only 73 years old. From New York, visiting Florida, ends up in a hospice for a stroke. Last time I looked strokes were NOT A TERMINAL ILLNESS.

822 posted on 01/31/2006 8:39:39 PM PST by floriduh voter (IMPEACH JUDGE GREER...Call Jeb Bush at 1-850-488-4441 and demand justice)
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To: floriduh voter

Strokes can be fatal, but Ted apparently survived his. Now that he has, he should be given a chance to recuperate, rather than be put on his deathbed. Is he on a feeding tube, I wonder, otherwise, how can they deny him food and water? We know that is against the Florida law. Is there anything saying that he will aspirate it into his lungs?


823 posted on 01/31/2006 8:57:48 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: floriduh voter

When I called Bishop Lynch's and Charlie Crist's office, I told them that I would NEVER retire in FL when the time comes. After this, I would not even go there for a visit.

If Ted didn't visit FL, he would not be dehydrating and starving in a hospice right now.


824 posted on 01/31/2006 9:01:49 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: BykrBayb

Father God, you and you alone know the fate of Ted
Sith.

Your Terri warriors pray for his survival, knowing
full well that the forces of darkness are arrayed
against him.

We pray for your wisdom and guidance, in order
that we might stay his execution by the state
of Florida.

Lord we ask that this vacation destination might suffer
from the wicked decisions it perpetrates.

May Florida's pro-death policies awaken our nation
to tourists avoiding spending $$ in a state that
might facilitate a visitor's premature demise!


825 posted on 01/31/2006 11:22:22 PM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: Sun
"It seems you better not even go to Florida for a week's vaction, let alone live there - especially if you are at an age when you could have a stroke."
826 posted on 02/01/2006 12:02:35 AM PST by Wampus SC (Sorry Ben Franklin - we couldn't keep it.)
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To: T'wit
"We have the benefit of hindsight. I believe eugenics was viewed differently and less ominously back then -- more a fashion than a passion. My grandfather thought well of eugenics. He wouldn't have hurt a fly. He wasn't political. To him it was "modern" and "scientific." He liked to be modern and scientific."

That's the same hook present day so-called ethicists and other death cultists use to get us to accept forced euthanasia, that close companion of eugenics. Our view of life, death, and the value of a human is hopelessly outmoded - so they say. People will go along with nearly anything for fear of being thought old fashioned or unscientific.
827 posted on 02/01/2006 12:47:57 AM PST by Wampus SC (Sorry Ben Franklin - we couldn't keep it.)
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To: T'wit
>> We're back to that infamous pre-Pearl Harbor poll again. And as to America today, all things old are new again...

"I'm not sure I understand your point. Would you kindly elaborate?"

Reference to a very recent post, this thread. Prior to Pearl Harbor those weekly polls you used to see in the Sunday papers showed high approval for the Axis. From 40-50% in some areas of the country. This included a high proportion who'd favor entering the war on the Axis side. Of course this changed after Pearl Harbor. Point was illustrative of the totalitarian (fascist variety) undercurrent that has always been present in American society. And how that undercurrent comes to the forefront from time to time. Like now. ---- But don't worry about now. As long as we don't call ourselves a police state, we'll be free. :) ....
828 posted on 02/01/2006 1:08:55 AM PST by Wampus SC (I'm tired of those kooky concidence theorists.)
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To: T'wit
I should have settled for Lindy. :)

When did he write "Monism"? Anyway, don't know why I wrote H. et. al. when it was the et. al. I was getting at. Those Nazis directly responsible for applying Social Darwinism and eugenics to society built the justification for it on the whole body of work. This included the recent and the American as well as German.

Let's not forget that Sanger and some of her buddies got official recognition and commendation from the real live Nazi in Germany --- for contributions to the fields of eugenics and racialist "science".

On second thought, let's choose to forget it. If we do, our team will have a pristine past.
829 posted on 02/01/2006 1:50:55 AM PST by Wampus SC (I'm tired of those kooky coincidence theorists.)
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To: Wampus SC
>> Prior to Pearl Harbor those weekly polls you used to see in the Sunday papers showed high approval for the Axis. From 40-50% in some areas of the country. This included a high proportion who'd favor entering the war on the Axis side. Of course this changed after Pearl Harbor. Point was illustrative of the totalitarian (fascist variety) undercurrent that has always been present in American society. And how that undercurrent comes to the forefront from time to time.

Let me offer a slightly different take. I view the 1930s -- aka "the Red Decade" -- as the breaking of an Old World tidal wave on the American shore. Iow, it was new and alien to us rather than (or far more than) an expression of the totalitarian undercurrent you refer to. It was the arrival of the French revolution supplanting our own libertarian beginnings.

We like to point our fingers at the nasty statists in Italy, Germany and Russia. Albert Jay Nock pointed out -- contemporaneously -- that the same statist philosophy prevailed in England, in France, and was very much at work here, in the New Deal. (Survivors of the New Deal era still think FDR sits next to, and slightly above, God.) It was all the same stuff.

Now, there is nothing like internecine warfare for bloodletting! The differences were miniscule, but the socialist brothers -- red, brown, black shirts -- fought it out furiously for their particular doctrines. From the old American libertarian view, there's not two cents worth of difference in the bunch. Hitler's standing in the club is just as authentic as Mao's or Lenin's. Mussolini wrote purer expressions of statist belief than any of them.

We remember that they fought on the streets of Berlin. We forget that they fought on the streets of New York -- in uniform! All those Nazi and Fascist rallies and Communist May Day marches in Europe -- we had them here, in uniform. I remember coming across a column by Walter Lippmann, the liberal's liberal, treating Hitler with utmost respect. FDR's NRA, the old Blue Eagle, was expressly modeled on Mussolini fascism. Yes, of course there was strong support here for the Axis.

From the nativist view, again, they were all the same critters. They thought so too, in their fashion! In the street wars here as well as in Europe, the Red shirts and the Brown shirts were each other's best recruits. And look at the two years of the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact when Hitler and Uncle Joe were buddies! They all had the totalitarian frame of mind. Of course that kind of thinking is still around, big time.

Amazing how WWII blinded us. We entered the war (and remained) aligned with the Reds. Opinion was shaped accordingly against the Blacks and the Browns. But it was much more a brothers' war than we are yet willing to admit.

All this ranting and I'm not even on my third cup of coffee :-) Take with the usual dose of salt.

830 posted on 02/01/2006 3:48:42 AM PST by T'wit (You wonder why there is so little news on Sunday mornings? The leftist news fakers are asleep.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
Here is more on Ted Stith. Please review recent posts on this latest atrocity. Time is running out.

PORT CHARLOTTE, FLA---For the last 25 years, he's given food to the needy by the basketful.

Now he's being starved to death.

Ted Stith, a farmer from Cincinnatus, NY, went to Florida to visit a friend but after the 73-year-old man suffered a stroke, his son put him in a hospice, ordered all food and water stopped and left him to die. The son then went back to New York to sell his father's possessions at auction---at his father's own auction house.

Ted Stith Wants To Live, Son Busy Selling His Possessions

8mm


831 posted on 02/01/2006 3:48:52 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Wampus SC

That would be hilarious if it weren't so... true.


832 posted on 02/01/2006 3:51:14 AM PST by T'wit (You wonder why there is so little news on Sunday mornings? The leftist news fakers are asleep.)
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To: amdgmary
North Country Gazette picked up on Bobby Schindler's response to Cathy Young.

Schindler Says Globe Article Most Irresponsible Ever On Terri's Case

8mm

833 posted on 02/01/2006 3:58:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
The son is selling his soul for pennies. Not that it matters how much he gets for it: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Mark 8:36 KJV)
834 posted on 02/01/2006 4:02:31 AM PST by T'wit (You wonder why there is so little news on Sunday mornings? The leftist news fakers are asleep.)
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To: T'wit
At the auction, they announced another sale to pay for the shipment of the deceased Ted back home and burial. How much do you want to bet they have him cremated at the lowest possible cost and forget the shipment?

Sadly many of us have witnessed such callousness in our own families and it sometimes does not come out until a parent is dead or dying.
835 posted on 02/01/2006 4:15:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit
Take with the usual dose of salt.

I'll take 10 pounds of that, please. Nicely written.

836 posted on 02/01/2006 4:42:38 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Horrible.


837 posted on 02/01/2006 4:47:33 AM PST by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser
For those who think the government should not stick it's nose into this family's business...
  1. Why should the government's role, in assuring a minimum quality of care for individuals, stop abruptly at the moment the individual's spouse (or child) takes over the reins?
  2. What evil hand has decided to draw the curtain around the sick bed, so the government can no longer see what is happening to the sickest and most vulnerable?

838 posted on 02/01/2006 4:50:15 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus

Are severely ill patients no longer "persons"?


839 posted on 02/01/2006 4:52:54 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Great, great letter by Bobby Schindler. Thanks for posting the link.


840 posted on 02/01/2006 4:56:28 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: Wampus SC

Great image.


841 posted on 02/01/2006 4:58:02 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: T'wit; Theodore R.; TheSarce; TheSpottedOwl; DadsGirl; dixie sass; TheSecondSon; old424; ...
In the wake of Terri's Legacy, we can see just a little more clearly the evil of those who urge the legal and accepted ability of the heartless to kill the innocent. With vigilance, Scott Thomas may have a good chance now. At the end of this month, I reflect on those who have become martyrs and who may in this epic battle of good and evil.

May we keep in our minds, hearts and prayers those martyrs and those whose plight may have slipped from public attention and who died unnoticed.

Jimmy Chambers

Dylan Walborn

And now Ted Stith as he nears death.

God bless you and protect you, Scott Thomas and family.

Scott's Fight

8mm

842 posted on 02/01/2006 4:59:44 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Dante3
Amazing the illegal acts Greer has gotten away with.

He is following the Clintonian Rule...

Don't merely break one or two laws. Do many, many illegal, immoral and outlandish things.

When people react by criticizing you a lot, you can pretend you are a innocent victim, since only victims get attacked that much.

843 posted on 02/01/2006 5:04:28 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: 8mmMauser

I've bookmarked your tribute. It's worth reviewing again and again.


844 posted on 02/01/2006 5:07:06 AM PST by syriacus (Dems think they have FIRE in their bellies. But it's merely indigestion.)
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To: syriacus

Great point!


845 posted on 02/01/2006 5:07:33 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Sun
When I called Bishop Lynch's and Charlie Crist's office, I told them that I would NEVER retire in FL when the time comes. After this, I would not even go there for a visit.

If Ted didn't visit FL, he would not be dehydrating and starving in a hospice right now.

Before all heated up last year, we were still seriously considering getting a property in the area between Ocala and Clearwater. We had contacted real estate agents, and I visited properties on my way to Pinellas Park. I should add I lived near Sebring when a kid, and had a house in Homestead before Hurricane Andrew, so had ties and affection for Florida. Guess what changed!!! It was not the place I remembered.

846 posted on 02/01/2006 5:44:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu, ufam Tobie!..Jesus I trust in Thee)
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This son (in name only) has even less honor than I realized previously. That goes for the rest of the siblings, as it appears none of them are doing anything to comfort their father. I don't get it. But I'm glad I don't. I don't want to understand evil.


847 posted on 02/01/2006 6:15:56 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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I think this whole thing is despicable. Everybody washes their hands of responsibility.


848 posted on 02/01/2006 6:19:07 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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Very much has changed in Florida when you have been away for a while and then return. Sometimes I am afraid for my family still there, but then I think pretty much any state will have these problems. I think it may well depend on your family. If they don't believe in the sanctity of life, then you're doomed. I know there will be times when even that isn't enough. It wasn't enough for Terri, and it wasn't enough for Jimmy Chambers, either. And there are many more we never hear about.

The idea of futile care has been ingrained in so many of these doctors. Heck, that's what Dr. Cranford has been teaching to his student doctors at Univ. of Minnesota all these years. Ethics? I used to think that "moral" was a synonym for "ethics". Perhaps at one time it was, but it isn't that way anymore.


849 posted on 02/01/2006 6:35:08 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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Ted has passed away. Just got an email from NCG.


850 posted on 02/01/2006 6:38:55 AM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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