Skip to comments.Scott Thomas update: mom's guardianship continued!
Posted on 01/03/2006 2:43:26 PM PST by cyn
Pamela's guardianship renewed for another six months! Please see "Scott's News" for more information. (continued at link)
January 3, 2006
Today was the long-anticipated status hearing on guardianship for Scott.
The hearing took place in judge's chambers with Pamela and her attorneys and Eliza and her attorneys. Pamela presented the judge with information that she has now filed with the court to have Scott declared "partially capacitated". This means, at the very least, that he would then be allowed to indicate his preferences for his social environment, such as who is allowed to visit. He has repeatedly indicated that he does not want to see Eliza, but he does wants to see his son.
Pamela also informed the judge that, after Scott is legally determined to be "partially capacitated", they would be filing for a divorce for him. [emphasis mine]
Eliza indicated to the judge that she would fight any divorce proceedings.
The final item that Pamela presented to the judge is that Scott is scheduled for surgery to close his tracheotomy opening, which should allow him to regain his ability to speak and make sound.
Based on all the above information, Judge Wilkes ruled to grant Pamela another six months of full guardianship of Scott. This will be a crucial time for Pamela and Scott, as they continue to work, not only for Scott's recovery, but for him to regain the right and ability to truly "speak for himself".
Please continue to join us in prayer and other support for Scott and Pamela as they continue the battle for LIFE.
Bump to Post 783.
I sent a link of this story to priestsforlife.org.
Let's get the word out.
It seems you better not even go to Florida for a week's vaction, let alone live there - especially if you are at an age when you could have a stroke.
Hi, 8 mm -- I'm just seeing this. Is there any further information or update out?
I suggest posting this as its own thread -- as much as is ok, then link to Gazette. Perhaps we can get more info from someone in Port Charlotte, or someone in Cincinnatus, NY area. I'd like to have further info, this is just a start.
*Thanks* to the Gazette for researching & printing this story -- has this been passed on to Diane at WND and others?
// Let's get the word out. // yep
Amazing the illegal acts Greer has gotten away with.
Prayers for Ted Stith Sr.
Please check out my post #801 because I typed your name wrong. :)
I wonder if the ADF can help Ted and other people who are dehydrated to death:
I contacted them about Ted.
On the Ted Stith story,
So far that is the only reference we have. I have not seen the story anywhere else. Am keeping watch.
Response to Cathy Young of the Boston Globe
Dear Ms. Young,
I writing in response to your column, Haleigh Poutre is no Terri Schiavo.
After reading all of the dishonesty that you purport as truths in regard to my sister Terri, I have to say that this is not only the most irresponsible article that I have yet to read from the media regarding Terris situation, but possibly the most egregious.
You wrote that, Schiavo had been in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, and had undergone a barrage of tests showing that she had no higher brain functioning and no consciousness a fact on which all unbiased medical experts agreed.
I want to know how youve researched Terris case, and how youve obtained this information. Could it be that youve gathered your facts from the other opinion pieces similar to the one youve written about Terri?
If you are referring to autopsy that ostensibly proved that Terri was PVS, then you are entirely wrong. The Independent Medical Examiner who performed the autopsy, Dr. Jon Thogmartin, went to great lengths to caution those reviewing Terris autopsy that a post-mortem, forensic examination could neither confirm nor refute a diagnosis of persistent vegetative state. This is because PVS is a clinical diagnosis based on the behaviors of a living patient and not forensic pathology.
Moreover, Dr. Stephen Nelson a consulting pathologist who assisted Dr. Thogmartin with the autopsy report admitted that, while Terris symptoms were consistent with PVS, he could not rule out the possibility that Terri was in a minimally conscious state.
And there are numerous pathologists and physicians that have responded to the autopsy finding as being misleading and ambiguous. This information could have been and still can be easily provided to you.
I wonder if you were you aware that as indicated in Terris medical records she was talking when given rehabilitation in the months following her injury? This completely refutes the PVS diagnosis.
Additionally, did you know that there were more doctors on record with the court (from some of the most distinguished institutions from across the country) stating that Terri was not in PVS than there were doctors that said she was? Furthermore, most of these affidavits (there are more than 42 in total) submitted by these doctors said that if Terri was given proper therapy, her functioning capacity could have improved. Why was this never reported by the media?
Did you know that a recent British Medical Journal has reported that nearly 43% of all PVS diagnoses are, in fact, misdiagnoses? Based on this report, the Independent Medical Examiner findings, the sworn testimony and affidavits of over 42 physicians, neurologists and other healthcare professionals contradicting that Terri was in PVS, I believe it is incredibly reckless for you to make the sweeping statement that Terri was PVS.
The fact that my sister received no therapy for more than thirteen years, which also was rarely if ever reported by the media, only added to the deterioration of her condition. No autopsy report could have ever determined how much Terri would have improved if she was receiving proper rehabilitation and therapy during the past thirteen years.
To make the statement that, "...all unbiased medical experts agreed as to the condition of my sister is so completely disingenuous that the only conclusion I can draw is that you did absolutely no research into the doctors that evaluated Terri.
Dr. Ronald Cranford, hired by Michael Schiavo, has testified in almost every major case that the removal of the feeding tube should be permitted. He even takes pleasure in the moniker, Dr. Humane Death. To call him unbiased is like calling Rush Limbaugh a liberal democrat. And one of the other doctors that testified in my sister trial, Dr. Peter Bambakidis, was later discovered as having ties to same organization as Michael Schiavos attorney George Felos.
But aside from all this, what is really sad is that your article and so many others like yours does nothing but discriminate against the disabled by labeling them with this dangerous and subjective PVS diagnosis. The PVS diagnosis was created for one reason and to serve only one purpose to kill those that are the weakest and most vulnerable among us.
No amount of damage to the brain or level of disability should give anyone the authority to kill. But this is exactly what you are saying - and is now happening all the time - that we can justify the killing of human beings because they have reached a level of profound brain damage that is unacceptable for us to care for them anymore. So, tell me, how long do you give Haliegh to improve before you give up on her and decide that she must die?
What is really shameful though is that I have to respond to articles like yours and defend my sisters life and explain why her family should have been permitted to love her.
Columnist Nat Hentoff commented on the media and how they have handled my sisters case. He said that it was so shoddy and inaccurate that it was the worst case of journalistic malpractice that hes seen in 25 years.
Can you ping your lists???
Ted might not last much longer.
CAN SOMEONE CONTACT NEWSMAX AND WORLD NET DAILY who already has a relationship with them?
Any suggestions are appreciated. Put them right on the forum instead of via freepmail.
Florida is the starvation state. Is there any doubt now? Ted wants to live. He said so. How can his son just have him starved to death?
Ted no food or water for EIGHT DAYS. That's the latest.
"It's happening again in Florida. Another starvation/dehydration against the patient's wishes."
Way to go, Bobby!
He is so eloquent. Reporters would do well to take lessons from him.
It is yet another disgusting story of the lack of compassion for the disabled and elderly. Dying with dignity my @ss! Dignity would at least include friends and family at your bedside. This son is so caught up in himself, that he cannot lower himself to be with his father in what could be some of his last days. Instead, he turns and runs like a coward, not wanting to see the way he is hurting his father by his decision. His actions show that he is somewhat aware that death by dehydration won't be pleasant to watch.
Anyway, Jeb Bush's phone number is on my tag line. Maybe Jeb needs some calls too. It's getting out of hand...if the United States doesn't condone torture, there's sure a lot of it going on in Florida.
"The man was responding", Vinson says, "it's baby steps but he was responding. He would take my hand if I told him to, he was responsive to commands. They allow you a swab to wipe the lips off--he would take it from my hand, put it in his mouth and suck for all he was worth. He could raise his hands, raise his legs, hold his leg up on command. At one point, someone told him to pick up his right arm which he can't do so he took his left arm over and picked up his right. One of the doctors came in Sunday morning and asked me how I am and I said well, you know at this point I'm not fine. He said what's the problem and I said this man doesn't belong here. He says why do you say that and I said because of all the things that he can do. He said, well, what can he do?"
"What would impress you", Vinson said to which the doctor responded, 'to hear him speak".
FV says: Ted only 73 years old. From New York, visiting Florida, ends up in a hospice for a stroke. Last time I looked strokes were NOT A TERMINAL ILLNESS.
Strokes can be fatal, but Ted apparently survived his. Now that he has, he should be given a chance to recuperate, rather than be put on his deathbed. Is he on a feeding tube, I wonder, otherwise, how can they deny him food and water? We know that is against the Florida law. Is there anything saying that he will aspirate it into his lungs?
When I called Bishop Lynch's and Charlie Crist's office, I told them that I would NEVER retire in FL when the time comes. After this, I would not even go there for a visit.
If Ted didn't visit FL, he would not be dehydrating and starving in a hospice right now.
Father God, you and you alone know the fate of Ted
Your Terri warriors pray for his survival, knowing
full well that the forces of darkness are arrayed
We pray for your wisdom and guidance, in order
that we might stay his execution by the state
Lord we ask that this vacation destination might suffer
from the wicked decisions it perpetrates.
May Florida's pro-death policies awaken our nation
to tourists avoiding spending $$ in a state that
might facilitate a visitor's premature demise!
Let me offer a slightly different take. I view the 1930s -- aka "the Red Decade" -- as the breaking of an Old World tidal wave on the American shore. Iow, it was new and alien to us rather than (or far more than) an expression of the totalitarian undercurrent you refer to. It was the arrival of the French revolution supplanting our own libertarian beginnings.
We like to point our fingers at the nasty statists in Italy, Germany and Russia. Albert Jay Nock pointed out -- contemporaneously -- that the same statist philosophy prevailed in England, in France, and was very much at work here, in the New Deal. (Survivors of the New Deal era still think FDR sits next to, and slightly above, God.) It was all the same stuff.
Now, there is nothing like internecine warfare for bloodletting! The differences were miniscule, but the socialist brothers -- red, brown, black shirts -- fought it out furiously for their particular doctrines. From the old American libertarian view, there's not two cents worth of difference in the bunch. Hitler's standing in the club is just as authentic as Mao's or Lenin's. Mussolini wrote purer expressions of statist belief than any of them.
We remember that they fought on the streets of Berlin. We forget that they fought on the streets of New York -- in uniform! All those Nazi and Fascist rallies and Communist May Day marches in Europe -- we had them here, in uniform. I remember coming across a column by Walter Lippmann, the liberal's liberal, treating Hitler with utmost respect. FDR's NRA, the old Blue Eagle, was expressly modeled on Mussolini fascism. Yes, of course there was strong support here for the Axis.
From the nativist view, again, they were all the same critters. They thought so too, in their fashion! In the street wars here as well as in Europe, the Red shirts and the Brown shirts were each other's best recruits. And look at the two years of the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact when Hitler and Uncle Joe were buddies! They all had the totalitarian frame of mind. Of course that kind of thinking is still around, big time.
Amazing how WWII blinded us. We entered the war (and remained) aligned with the Reds. Opinion was shaped accordingly against the Blacks and the Browns. But it was much more a brothers' war than we are yet willing to admit.
All this ranting and I'm not even on my third cup of coffee :-) Take with the usual dose of salt.
PORT CHARLOTTE, FLA---For the last 25 years, he's given food to the needy by the basketful.
Now he's being starved to death.
Ted Stith, a farmer from Cincinnatus, NY, went to Florida to visit a friend but after the 73-year-old man suffered a stroke, his son put him in a hospice, ordered all food and water stopped and left him to die. The son then went back to New York to sell his father's possessions at auction---at his father's own auction house.
That would be hilarious if it weren't so... true.
I'll take 10 pounds of that, please. Nicely written.
Are severely ill patients no longer "persons"?
Great, great letter by Bobby Schindler. Thanks for posting the link.
May we keep in our minds, hearts and prayers those martyrs and those whose plight may have slipped from public attention and who died unnoticed.
And now Ted Stith as he nears death.
God bless you and protect you, Scott Thomas and family.
He is following the Clintonian Rule...
Don't merely break one or two laws. Do many, many illegal, immoral and outlandish things.
When people react by criticizing you a lot, you can pretend you are a innocent victim, since only victims get attacked that much.
I've bookmarked your tribute. It's worth reviewing again and again.
If Ted didn't visit FL, he would not be dehydrating and starving in a hospice right now.
Before all heated up last year, we were still seriously considering getting a property in the area between Ocala and Clearwater. We had contacted real estate agents, and I visited properties on my way to Pinellas Park. I should add I lived near Sebring when a kid, and had a house in Homestead before Hurricane Andrew, so had ties and affection for Florida. Guess what changed!!! It was not the place I remembered.
This son (in name only) has even less honor than I realized previously. That goes for the rest of the siblings, as it appears none of them are doing anything to comfort their father. I don't get it. But I'm glad I don't. I don't want to understand evil.
I think this whole thing is despicable. Everybody washes their hands of responsibility.
Very much has changed in Florida when you have been away for a while and then return. Sometimes I am afraid for my family still there, but then I think pretty much any state will have these problems. I think it may well depend on your family. If they don't believe in the sanctity of life, then you're doomed. I know there will be times when even that isn't enough. It wasn't enough for Terri, and it wasn't enough for Jimmy Chambers, either. And there are many more we never hear about.
The idea of futile care has been ingrained in so many of these doctors. Heck, that's what Dr. Cranford has been teaching to his student doctors at Univ. of Minnesota all these years. Ethics? I used to think that "moral" was a synonym for "ethics". Perhaps at one time it was, but it isn't that way anymore.
Ted has passed away. Just got an email from NCG.