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Indonesian Muslims Furious Over Playboy (islamic sexual repression alert)
Islam Online ^ | 1/22/2006 | Staff

Posted on 01/22/2006 8:54:21 AM PST by Dark Skies

JAKARTA – Indonesian Muslims have reacted in fury over the planned debut of a local edition of raunchy magazine Playboy, fueling growing debate on pornography in the world's most populous Muslim nation.

"Playboy simply has no place in our social norms and culture," Hasyim Muzadi, the chairman of Nahdlatul Ulama (NU), Indonesia's largest Muslim organization, told Agence France Presse (AFP) on Sunday, January 22.

"Indonesia is not Europe or America, whose culture and reaction towards nudity are totally different than ours," he maintained.

Ponti Carrolus, director of PT Velvet Silver Media which holds the Indonesian license from the US-based magazine, vowed on Friday to go ahead with the launch of the local version of Playboy despite growing protests.

He argued that the magazine will dramatically tone down the Playboy's erotic photographs.

"Pornography, regardless of how it is being disguised, will only corrupt youth morals and bring catastrophes such as a rise in rape and sexual harassment," Muzadi warned.

Indonesia is the most populous Muslim state with a population of 220 million, 80% of them are Muslims.

Founded in 1953, Playboy has about 20 local editions around the world that cater to local taste rather than simply exporting and translating its US content.

Legalizing

Irfan Awwas, the chairman of the Indonesian Mujahedin Council, echoed a similar warning.

"It will be disastrous for Indonesia," he told AFP.

"The publication of Playboy as we know it will further destroy the nation's morality."

Muzadi, whose organization claims more than 40 million members, urged the Indonesian authorities to revoke the license for Playboy and other raunchy magazines in the country.

"Legalizing Playboy to circulate in Indonesia is tantamount to legalizing pornography, which is already pretty much uncontrollable due to the circulation of pirated DVDs and VCDs and the Internet," he said.

Porn discs are readily, if discreetly, available across the capital Jakarta for as little as 6,000 rupiah ($60 cents).

In recent years, lifestyle magazines have flooded Indonesia's markets, including those targeting a male audience.

Many are franchises of foreign publications in the United States, Europe, Australia and more liberal Asian nations.

FHM Indonesia, Sexy, Marta and Popular are but some of the more daring men's magazines on sale along Jakarta's busy streets.

Many of these titles hit the streets after the wave of liberalization that swept through Indonesia in 1999 after the fall of Suharto.

Media Standards

Leo Batubara, a senior member of the Indonesian Press Council, said critics should reserve judgment until they see how Playboy fits into "Indonesia's modern and acceptable social norms."

His fellow council member R.H. Siregar was also in favor of the magazine's publication, saying it would be unfair to ban it.

He urged the publisher to "consult religious groups and explain their format and intention."

The ongoing debate on Playboy comes as Indonesian lawmakers prepare to pass a wide-ranging law on pornography.

One of article in the bill stipulates jail terms of up to seven years for "acts and publication of acts deemed indecent or sexually arousing."

Another legislates a similar jail term for people caught kissing in public or dancing in "arousing movements."

Batubara said that the council, which has no legal power to revoke licenses but is often consulted by the parliament to discuss media-related issues, will try to persuade lawmakers not to include the two articles.

"Lawmakers cannot seem to make up their mind on how to categorize movies, publications and even our 'dangdut' shows, which do not show full-frontal nudity but reveal women posing and acting in semi-erotic fashion," he said.

The hugely popular dangdut features traditional Indonesian music with strong Indian and Arabic influences.

Batubara charged that many lawmakers have no real understanding and knowledge of what is pornography.

"They just want to issue a law but they do not want to give a damn about its impact on our socially and culturally complex society."

He said the state body was still arguing with MPs over an "acceptable Indonesian media standard of what is deemed to be morally accepted and what is not."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: indonesia; islam; muslim; nudity; playboy; sexualrepression; wot
The question remains..."if nudity is evil, must goats wear burkas?"
1 posted on 01/22/2006 8:54:24 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

The Indonesians have a lot of nerve complaining, since it's their country which gave us Laura "Black Emanuelle" Gemser.


2 posted on 01/22/2006 8:58:20 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Dark Skies

Nudity is the least of Indonesia's worries.


3 posted on 01/22/2006 8:59:34 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Dark Skies
Irfan Awwas, the chairman of the Indonesian Mujahedin Council, echoed a similar warning.

"It will be disastrous for Indonesia," he told AFP.

No, islam is disasterous for Indonesia. Besides, Indonesia has one of the highest population explosions on the planet. That ain't happenin' because of Playboy.

4 posted on 01/22/2006 9:01:11 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Dark Skies; All
“Indonesia is not Europe or America, whose culture and reaction towards nudity are totally different than ours.”

Evidently.

5 posted on 01/22/2006 9:01:11 AM PST by dighton
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To: Dark Skies

Better Question:

These reactions from the heart of child sex and child slavery?


6 posted on 01/22/2006 9:02:53 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Dark Skies
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7 posted on 01/22/2006 9:03:04 AM PST by kanawa (Freaking panty wetting, weakspined bliss-ninny socialist punks)
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To: Dark Skies

I'm waiting for the "stopped clock" folks (claiming 'stopped clock' for Islamic fundaMENTALism for the millionth time).


8 posted on 01/22/2006 9:08:16 AM PST by M203M4
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To: Dark Skies
"The publication of Playboy as we know it will further destroy the nation's morality."

I believe in freedom of speech, but Irfan Awwas is absolutely correct. Playboy magazine had exactly that effect on the United States.

9 posted on 01/22/2006 9:09:09 AM PST by Savage Beast (Women are like wine. You get what you pay for. Mine's the best. It's expensive. It's worth it.)
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To: Dark Skies

I think they are within their rights protesting Playboy. They should boycott the magazine and all who are affiliated with it in Indonesia as boycott is the most pure form of free speech.


10 posted on 01/22/2006 9:09:15 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: kanawa

LOL


11 posted on 01/22/2006 9:11:54 AM PST by Arpege92 ("When the wise is pointing to the moon, the frog looks at the finger.")
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To: Dark Skies
Victoria's Secret is very popular in Indonesia
12 posted on 01/22/2006 9:12:15 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: Dark Skies
"Playboy simply has no place in our social norms and culture,"

I understand. In a culture that mutilates their women's genitals to keep them from having pleasure, kills female family members to keep the family 'honor', buggers little boys and kills members of other religions, there is simply no place for semi-revealing photos of beautiful nude women. /s

13 posted on 01/22/2006 9:14:05 AM PST by Looking4Truth (It ain't the race, it's the culture!)
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To: Savage Beast
I believe in freedom of speech, but Irfan Awwas is absolutely correct. Playboy magazine had exactly that effect on the United States.

I suggest the point is that islam's attempt to remove temptation from life creates repression in society. If islam instead taught the concept of overcoming temptation, it would encourage its adherents to assume responsibility for their actions and to develop the strength of character needed to overcome temptation.

Islam's dysfunctional system of blaming the temptation for evil is ultimately responsible for the concept of honor killings of rape victims and many other vile customs.

14 posted on 01/22/2006 9:16:17 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
Pornography, regardless of how it is being disguised, will only corrupt youth morals and bring catastrophes such as a rise in rape and sexual harassment," Muzadi warned.

Yes; it would just terrible if more defiled young women had to be murdered because they were raped by moral men who clearly had no choice. < /sarcasm >

15 posted on 01/22/2006 9:18:32 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: DogBarkTree
Here's Miss February.


16 posted on 01/22/2006 9:20:35 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Dark Skies

Brings to mind recent comments by Salman Rushdie:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560754/posts


17 posted on 01/22/2006 9:23:54 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
Here's a pic of Rushdie and his wife, Padma Lakshmi...


18 posted on 01/22/2006 9:28:13 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

The real problem is our women are very hairy and we do not wish to see them in the light of day.


19 posted on 01/22/2006 9:29:43 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Dark Skies

Big Deal! I think the television evangelists, in this country, are still ranting and raving about Playboy. Perhaps, the television evangelists want to hoard all the copies of Playboy for themselves.


20 posted on 01/22/2006 9:33:12 AM PST by punster
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To: Dark Skies

Exactly. Well said!


21 posted on 01/22/2006 9:39:29 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Thx.


22 posted on 01/22/2006 9:43:43 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: kanawa

LOL lojack your camel. God thats hilarious. :)


23 posted on 01/22/2006 9:47:26 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Dark Skies

Good!
I doubt Indonesian nudes are high on anyone's "see" list....

Semper Fi


24 posted on 01/22/2006 9:48:16 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: cloud8
Somebody report this photo to the moderator--she's showing too much eyebrow!
25 posted on 01/22/2006 9:49:29 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Dark Skies

The irony of this, to me, is that Muslims by the boatload (who can do so) travel to non-Muslim countries where they freely engage in drinking like fish, hiring call girls and smuggling liquor and porn mags back into their oppressive Muslim countries.

Once at home, with all of their appetites quenched, revert to their pios, holier-than-thou, smug, arrogant attitudes and point the fickle finger of fate at the west. And, their fellow travelers, the American MSM can't provide enough cover for them.


26 posted on 01/22/2006 9:50:05 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

pios = pious


27 posted on 01/22/2006 10:03:45 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: river rat
Actually at college one time I had Indonesian and a Malaysian roommates. The Indonesian had a sister who lived in the same city and she was hot. He also had some Indonesian magazines and there was plenty of good looking Indonesian women in them.

Interesting enough while him and the Malaysian was Muslim it was the more devout Malaysian who was into porn.
28 posted on 01/22/2006 10:24:17 AM PST by Swiss
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To: Dark Skies
Porn discs are readily, if discreetly, available across the capital Jakarta for as little as 6,000 rupiah ($60 cents).

Sixty cents? Now that's a cheap wank if I ever heard of one ;-)

29 posted on 01/22/2006 10:57:32 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Dark Skies

Now that's a nice set of sunglasses she's got there.


30 posted on 01/22/2006 11:02:44 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Dark Skies
""Indonesia is not Europe or America, whose culture and reaction towards nudity are totally different than ours," he maintained."

Nor do we stone our women who get raped or gun our sisters down in the street for marrying the man of their choice. Nor do we own slaves and have sex with them and say 'Allah says it's okay, have fun.'

"Totally different," fer sure.

The only culture they have can be seen in a Petri dish under a microscope, still crawling around in the 'slime.'

No wonder they hate life. They can't escape their self-imposed chains and they know it. Why else would they want to convert the world? It's because misery loves company, of course. And their misery won't be complete until everyone is miserable. It's like communism.

And it's no wonder its easy for them to recruit suicide bombers. There is always a sediment drifting to the surface of the Lake of Misery, waiting to take a short cut to be 'put out of their misery.'

'They shoot horses, don't they?', is a fitting analogy to a cult destined to boogie til they drop and puke.

31 posted on 01/22/2006 11:38:52 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Dark Skies
Indonesian Muslims Furious Over Playboy (islamic sexual repression alert)

American Christians Furious Over Playboy - of course that was 40 some years ago.

32 posted on 01/22/2006 11:51:06 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: kanawa

I have a ratheriteresting book. Eros in Pompeii. One of the photos is a statue of Pan having sex with goat.
He has the goat rolled on it's back. Enough said.

You might check it out, if you can find a copy.


33 posted on 01/22/2006 12:00:08 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Dark Skies

They also want to ban all my favorite authors: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul,....


34 posted on 01/22/2006 12:06:42 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: Dark Skies
Everything that you said in Post #14 is absolutely true, DS. I agree completely.

Everything that I said in Post #9 is also absolutely true. Playboy magazine had the effect of furthering the destruction of the morality of the United States. It did not do so alone, but its contribution was important.

The standards of morality of the American public before the publication of Playboy were far higher than they were after its publication.

Of course, a theocracy that approves of slavery, torture, intolerance, et al. can hardly claim that its standards of morality are high, no matter how sexually prudish it may be.

35 posted on 01/22/2006 12:56:57 PM PST by Savage Beast (Women are like wine. You get what you pay for. Mine's the best. It's expensive. It's worth it.)
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To: Savage Beast
Playboy magazine had the effect of furthering the destruction of the morality of the United States.

Can't argue with that!

36 posted on 01/22/2006 1:00:41 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: punster

37 posted on 01/22/2006 5:51:05 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Dark Skies
"Playboy simply has no place in our social norms and culture,"

Beheadings of hostages, honor killings, female mutilation, etc are much better fits....

38 posted on 02/08/2006 7:31:24 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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