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Hate kids? You're not alone
New York Daily News ^ | February 27, 2006 | MICHELE INGRASSIA

Posted on 02/27/2006 10:48:23 AM PST by presidio9

There are 2 billion children running around the planet and five new ones born every second. But don't expect any pink-and-blue congratulations from Adrianne Frost. In fact, the author and comedian would be just as happy if you took every little bugger and muzzled him — on the subway, in stores, in restaurants, churches, parks and, well, everywhere.

Treasonous? Exactly!

"You have every right not to like children who are ill-behaved," says Frost, who puts just about anyone under 3 feet tall in that category. "Just because they're children doesn't mean that it's okay for them to act the way they do. Throughout history, people have said they're a gift from God, but he doesn't have to eat dinner with them."

If it sounds like Frost isn't in the running for the Angelina Jolie mother-of-the-year award, she doesn't apologize. To the contrary, she's the author of the new book, "I Hate Other People's Kids" (Simon Spotlight Entertainment, $9.95) and part of a vocal minority that believes children should be not-seen and not-heard. Especially when they're sitting behind you on a plane.

"I come from a place of intense, severe hatred of kids — I have no maternal instincts whatsoever," agrees comedian Jackie Hoffman, who has made child-loathing part of her act. "It's hard to explain to others because there is such a disgusting worship of kids. One of my friends still hates me because I kicked over her kid's stroller at a birthday party — and the kid wasn't even in it."

True, child worship is as old as gold, frankincense and myrrh. But Frost argues that it reached zealot proportions when baby boomers started procreating, treating their pregnancies like the Second Coming and flashing little Baby on Board signs on their cars. Who would dare think saints could misbehave?

"People used to discipline children more," says Hoffman. "But now this revolting love of them rules the world, this tiptoeing around and asking, 'What do you want?'"

What bugs baby-bashers? Frost counts the ways: Kids who throw tantrums in the aisles of Toys "R" Us or poop in the middle of Pizza Hut; kids who think they're brighter than Beethoven or sexier than Britney; kids who insist on singing in the middle of your romantic dinner-for-two or whining in the middle of your dinner party for 20. And all the parents who think they're totally adorable in their badness.

It's not just self-proclaimed loathers who get riled. Take a walk through the Manhattan Mall on any afternoon, and there's no shortage of moms and dads, aunts and uncles willing to admit they sometimes want to pop other peoples' pests.

"My cousin has a 2-year-old whoalways asks for tea," says Anderson Young of Brooklyn. "But she doesn't really want it. She just takes the bottle and throws it out the window — and her mother just laughs."

"I used to work in day care, and the worst was the boy who went to the bathroom in the teacher's coat closet," says Katie, from the Bronx, who asked that her full name not be used. "We kept saying, 'What's that smell?' And then we found out." "Yesterday, when I went to pick up my daughter, my nephew, who's 2, said to me, 'Hey, s—,'" said a still-shocked Lisa Lee of Hollis. "I said, 'What did you say?' and he just laughed and skedaddled."

What's the solution? Though child psychologists prescribe firmness and consistency as a way to keep troublemakers from becoming tyrants, Frost has other suggestions for training not just kids but their parents, who think they need to emblazon every T-shirt and mug with their kid's likeness; who think it's hilarious when their kid sits on the cat; who think everyone wants to see the video of junior emerging from the womb.

In a word, says Frost, retaliate. Stand next to a store-screamer and scream at the top of your lungs. Trip the kid who keeps bumping into you "accidentally." Laminate your Pap smear and hang it on the fridge. Or photograph the Prada loafers you snagged at 80% off and share the snapshot with strangers.

But don't think it's enough to cleanse the soul of an unrepentant child-loather. "People with kids will say, 'You'll come around,' or 'You don't really hate kids, do you?'" says Hoffman.

"The answer is, Yes, I do."

How to deal

How do you tame the baby beast having a four-star meltdown when you're having a quiet dinner with your honey? Or the kid kicking you on the 13-hour flight to Tokyo? Or the one who left a load in his diaper while you're sniffing new perfumes at Bendel's? Some tips from the pros on how to tame them:

* Speak up, gently, but firmly: "I was at a pool years ago, and a little boy was dunking girls' faces in the water," says Alice Sterling Honig, professor emerita of child development at Syracuse University. "I told him to keep his hands to himself. He said, 'Lady, you're not the boss of the pool.' I said, 'Yes, I am. Grownups know the rules to keep you safe.'"

* Divert his attention: Faced with a child who can't stop crying and whining, talk to him — about SpongeBob, about the flowers in the park, about the puppy across the street, about anything but his tantrum. Honig saysit'll distract him from the kvetching. * Massage the meltdown: Freakouts usually mean a tired, overstressed child. "Sometimes, you can say, 'Gee, it's very hard to be with grownups,'" Honig says. In a restaurant, she'll even plop her big, old winter coat on the floor and suggest the weary whiner take a nap.

* Take it outside: You know her: The girl who feels a song coming on just as you're digging into your rare tuna. "Say to her, or her parents,'Do you think the other people in the restaurant want to hear your song? Or do they want to talk to each other?'" Honig says. "If she needs to sing, maybe Daddy can take her outside."

* Mommy sharing: If she knows kids are going to be squeezing onto the sofa with her and her friends, Honig brings out a dreidel and shows the tyke how to use it. And if the child still demands to be the focus of the conversation? "I turn to her and say, 'Alice has been playing with you and reading to you, and now I need to talk to Daddy for a while.'"

* Quit kicking: It's every traveler's nightmare: The kid behind you on the train or plane who won't stop kicking or slamming his tray table. You don't have to seethe and endure it. "I complain," says Manhattan child psychologist Constance Katz. "There's also the option of calling the stewardess. But short of a parent being willing to hold their feet down for the entire flight, it's not going to be a perfect solution."

* Set limits: Maybe you can't do it with other people's kids, but you can make yours more pleasant for other people. "There are very nice, well-meaning parents who are raising very tyrannical, imperious children because they can't tolerate making the child feel frustrated," Katz says. "They resolve not to do something and then weaken in the face of protest. And the more the parent holds out, the more the kid protests." Child's lesson learned: Have a meltdown in Kmart and you will get that new Birthday Bratz. And if you just want to have some harmless fun at the little monster's expense?

* Stare: Especially when they're running wild or laughing themselves silly, author Adrianne Frost suggests perfecting the art of the glare. "Don't avert your gaze until they back away slowly, and then cheerily go back to shopping," she says.

* Warn them: Away from the parents, beckon them over and tell them you'll call Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Grandma if they don't shape up. And remember, writes Frost, "Say it with a smile."

* Join in: If the child is screaming and squirming on the floor or clanging the shopping cart, stand next to him and let it rip. Sing at the top of your lungs! Lay on the ground next and scream! Whine that you want your youth back! Says Frost, "I guarantee, they'll be so confused, they'll stop what they're doing."

Originally published on February 27, 2006


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: behavior; childlesscouples; children; culturewar; demographics; discipline; familyvalues; kids; littleangels; monsters; singles; thenextgeneration
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To: presidio9

Yep. I despise children.


281 posted on 02/27/2006 2:00:46 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Politicalmom

The Death Grip paralyzes them where they stand. All of them.


282 posted on 02/27/2006 2:04:33 PM PST by Taliesan (Hunting with Cheney or cruising with Kennedy. You decide.)
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To: andrew2527
No worries...I thought it was a communication problem, that is the weakness in this forum.....I am just glad it has been cleared up
283 posted on 02/27/2006 2:04:41 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: School of Rational Thought

Weird isn't it? My Mom thinks that we "overburden" our son by making him take the garbage out and keep his room clean and a few other chores.

That isn't the same woman who raised me. :)


284 posted on 02/27/2006 2:07:38 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Kimmers

Yup, both kids are now fabulous adults.

Congrats on your son's commission. You must be so proud!


285 posted on 02/27/2006 2:08:01 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: Chickensoup
Wow I cannot imagine the panic your grandmother was feeling (stairs and skates on a wee one)....just the same it is a great story...the better story here is Grandma getting the gift of you at the age of 48....
286 posted on 02/27/2006 2:08:27 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: RockinRight

That is so funny! I never knew of anyone else that had the flyswatter!


287 posted on 02/27/2006 2:08:40 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: Hoodlum91

It was actually something my grandma did with my mom and her sisters so she used the same idea on us.


288 posted on 02/27/2006 2:10:11 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: Hoodlum91

My Mom used Hot Wheel tracks. My brothers always had time to scatter when she started fishing on top of the fridge.

She only had to use them on the boys, of course.

*Said in my most virtuous voice....*


289 posted on 02/27/2006 2:11:50 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Arizona

"I could not believe that a father would teach his children that it was okay to do that."


I live in yuppieville and i have noticed that working father do nothing while the mother tends to the children. The fathers just seem to have that blank stare like they do at work.


290 posted on 02/27/2006 2:22:58 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Allegra

Interestingly enough, I posted this article specifically because I do NOT hate kids. I hate parents of bratty kids. Then I worked on something else, and came back to find 300 responses. I'll also be interested to see what percentage puts the blame where it belongs.


291 posted on 02/27/2006 2:23:36 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
I'll also be interested to see what percentage puts the blame where it belongs.

It took a couple twists and turns along the way. :)

292 posted on 02/27/2006 2:25:37 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: weegee
I'm bothered when anyone (or their dogs) does that in public and that includes adult executives in first class sections on airplanes.

Sad to say, I know that guy. He's from my hometown. I saw his brother this weekend.

293 posted on 02/27/2006 2:25:42 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

Up until January of 2005, I was a kid hater. My son is now one year old and I can say I get it. The kid is a thrill.


294 posted on 02/27/2006 2:32:06 PM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: Potowmack
Anything that can be done by two drunk 16 year-olds with a spotty appreciation of contraception is not a "miracle."

Not debating whether children are or are not "miracles," but your reasoning is flawed. Historically, actions that have been termed "miracles" have frequently involved less than awe-inspiring participants.

295 posted on 02/27/2006 2:33:10 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
What's the solution?

The first thing is to get rid of all the child psychologists.

296 posted on 02/27/2006 2:35:00 PM PST by Wolfstar (I am sailing, home again 'cross the sea. I am sailing, stormy waters, to be near you, to be free.)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
No offense but the irony of getting "Correction" misspelled is very funny
297 posted on 02/27/2006 2:36:28 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: doorgunner69

Teaching and more importantly showing children responsible use of alcohol is important. My parents did it with me and I did it with my kids. Neither one of them did the binge stuff in college, and drinking and driving was unthinkable.


298 posted on 02/27/2006 2:36:36 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: Tijeras_Slim
And while we're at it, atleast teach them that the proper martini is Bombay Sapphire Gin, and then you whisper "vermouth" in the basement. Anything less is abuse.

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Ah, the classic martini. Anything else is perverse.

299 posted on 02/27/2006 2:51:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Potowmack
and four olives

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Let them soak in the glass for a while. It adds to the nutritional value.

300 posted on 02/27/2006 2:52:59 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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