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Neoconservatives: The new hippies
Daily Colonial ^ | Wednesday, February 22 2006 | Danny Kampf

Posted on 02/28/2006 8:46:11 PM PST by jb6

Edited on 02/28/2006 11:09:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Dolphy
That the objectives of the neo-cons converged with the Bush administration's concern for national security on the issue of Iraq, does not make the President a neo-con.

If that were the only issue on which their objectives "converged," you might have a point. The problem is that the objectives of the neo-cons also converged with the Bush administration on just about every other hot-button issue that p!sses off real conservatives, too (open borders, massive increases in government spending, etc.).

41 posted on 02/28/2006 9:16:08 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: William Creel
South Korea went into anarchy because the government was corrupt.

Ehh??? When was this. S.Korea was in "anarchy" because it was invaded by N.Korea.

42 posted on 02/28/2006 9:16:36 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

I think Paddy Buchanan is calling you. Maybe he will let
you come out and play some other time.


43 posted on 02/28/2006 9:17:27 PM PST by SoCalPol (Hillary kvetching is like Jack the Ripper moralizing to my neuro surgeon)
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To: SoCalPol

Wow, thanks for that well thought out addition to this thread. Very appreciated.


45 posted on 02/28/2006 9:17:55 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: William Creel

You're thinking Vietnam. They didn't throw out the government, they assassinated the corrupt president, whom we'd sworn to protect. Though he was corrupt, we gave our word and didn't protect him. Because of that, no other local leader trusted us. Big mistake.


47 posted on 02/28/2006 9:19:25 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
Easy to talk about empire and sending others' sons off when you've never had to do it yourself.

Can't help but agree with that. FDR was a total chickenhawk, and look at all the damage that he did...

48 posted on 02/28/2006 9:20:31 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Alberta's Child
open borders, massive increases in government spending, etc.

That is a tenditious comment, overgeneralized, and thus errant. If anything, neocons tend to be concerned about feckless spending, and saddling the next generation with feckless debt. They are not in love with the greedy geezers. Yes that is a generalization too, but more accurate than yours. What is a fair comment, is that Neocons are not isolationist, or protectionist, and wish the lone superpower while it can, to try to fashion the planet into a better place, to the extent practicable and prudent.

49 posted on 02/28/2006 9:20:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: Alberta's Child; jb6
I agree. But democracy in Durkadurkastan shouldn't be the goal (and I hope it isn't). The goal should be to keep the USA safe, to not have to fight any wars on US soil. Pure selfish reasons (that I agree 100% with) can lead to "spreading of democracy". Risks need to be neutralized, and strategic positions need to be maintained - 9/11 proved that you cannot simply wait to be hit.

The sentiment I agree with jb6 on is that there is a price in the blood of your nation's finest that we cannot allow to be undervalued.

51 posted on 02/28/2006 9:21:16 PM PST by M203M4
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To: William Creel
NeoConservative is the new political "curse word" like we turned liberal into.

That's dead on.  With one caveat, liberalism is inherently evil and destroys lives (use Detroit as current proof if you need it) and there is not a lot of proof that variants of conservatism will categorically and methodically with a proven predictability destroy a society like clockwork as does leftist action.

52 posted on 02/28/2006 9:21:17 PM PST by quantim (Always aligned, never maligned, but sometimes out of phase.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Was Reagan a NeoCon?

Reagan granted Amnesty to millions of illegals and darn near tripled spending. Reagan changed the world for the better, yet by your "REAL CONSERVATIVE" standards, Reagan was a NeoCon... What you are is a pessimist and a isolationist, much like the ultimate right wing pessimist and isolationist, Patrick J. Buchanan

53 posted on 02/28/2006 9:21:33 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: Thunder90

You have no chance to survive. Make your time.


54 posted on 02/28/2006 9:22:38 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: MJY1288
The history of Poland didn't begin with the collapse of the Iron Curtain. The country has had a number of different democratic forms of government in the past, dating back to 1791 when the country established what is generally accepted as the first European constitution.

After World War II the country spent 40+ years under totalitarian communist rule -- a historical development that had the full approval of the United States.

55 posted on 02/28/2006 9:22:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: M203M4

Spreading of democracy has brought the Muslim Brotherhood almost into power in Egypt, Hamas in Palistine, islamics in Afghanistan & Pakistan & Iraq. Representative Republics are not fit for all, its not one shoe fits all. We've set ourselves up for a whole new generation of wars. Not like that's anything new.


56 posted on 02/28/2006 9:23:02 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

So in Iraq the neo-cons have succeded in having Islamist nut bags elect Islamist nut bags who want to kill non
islamists Big Victory. Pakistan; lots of Islamist nut bags waiting for a chance to off Mushariff and then use their nukes on Israel and India. Hamas is elected to officaldom
Spreading democracy is working real good.


57 posted on 02/28/2006 9:23:43 PM PST by claptrap (optional tag-line under reconsideration)
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To: William Creel
You're just anti-American.

So I take it you can't argue the issue? Fine, name calling and false patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

I put 12 years into defending this nation. What was your contribution?

58 posted on 02/28/2006 9:24:42 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: quantim

Problem is, neoconservatism is a child of leftist liberalism.


59 posted on 02/28/2006 9:25:33 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: MJY1288

As I mentioned on an earlier post, this is a Paddy Buchanan
disciple. Also NeoCon being the code word for Jew


60 posted on 02/28/2006 9:26:23 PM PST by SoCalPol (Hillary kvetching is like Jack the Ripper moralizing to my neuro surgeon)
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