Posted on 02/28/2006 8:46:11 PM PST by jb6
Edited on 02/28/2006 11:09:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
If you have any evidence of that, I'd love to see it. You might also be surprised to find that neo-conservatives usually tend to be completely silent on adherence to Constitutional law (particularly with regard to something like the Second Amendment).
What is a fair comment, is that Neocons are not isolationist, or protectionist, and wish the lone superpower while it can, to try to fashion the planet into a better place, to the extent practicable and prudent.
I think you have an erroneous view of their agenda. They are empire-builders, pure and simple.
Exactly. Representative governments and their survival depends on the maturity and the culture of the people. Just dropping a silk suit on a pig won't make him into a Wall Street banker.
agreed
Counter Insurgency is a strange bastard style of war. It is not total war but it is also more then the Leftist" Police matter". The other thing most old Cast Iron Conservatives forget is the political aspect. Iraq was doable. We had the political consensus to do it. So since we needed a kill zone we could suck the terrorists into and we needed to get the American people to support the cost, there was no other choice BUT Iraq.
Want to really blow the Leftists minds? Tell them this. Even if Al Gore won in 2000 and 9-11 happened the USA would STILL be doing the same thing now in Iraq. Iraq was doable militarily and politically. There was no other place for the US to go. Iraq is basically the same deal as the invasions of Italy was in 1943
Here in a nutshell, is the MILTIARY reason for Iraq. The War on Terrorism is different sort of war. In the war on Terrorism, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone. Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is hostile to guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).
There are other reasons to do Iraq but that is the MILITARY reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.
Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. I often worry that the American people have neither the maturity, nor the intellect" to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like "No Blood for Oil" or "We support the Troops, bring them home" then to actually THINK. Problem is these people have NO desire to co-exist with us. They see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. They think their "god" will bless them for killing Westerners.
So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest realize we are serious. See in the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming "We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad" and recruit the next round of "holy warriors". Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it.
Don't misrepresent yourself. Call yourself what you are a Neo-Isolationist. Too bad for the Dinosaurs 9-11 killed your dogma. You all thought you could just run away and hide from the world after the Cold War. Unfortunately all the little thugs and murders you "realist" school of diplomacy set up to "keep the wogs in line" just delayed, they did not defuse, the problem. On 9-11 we discovered the World followed you home.
Bravo!!
One of the better posts on FR in a long time.
BS. You people are not real Conservative. From the Bordes to the Ports to Trade you want to build a massive Govt bureacracy to impose your deluded Neo-Isolations visions of Fortress America on the rest of us. You whould shovel whole sections of the Private Sector over to the Feds in the name of "Security". You are about as Far from REAL Conservatives as it is possible to be and not be on the Political Left. You have no intrest in limited Govt. All you people are is pissed that the Govt doesn't do what YOU want it to do.
I just noticed your tagline:
Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?
I read it aloud to the wife. If one could kill another by just looking at them, I'd be a dead man. :)
LOL, you're making me laugh now!! I love that little laughing smiley!!
I have worse pictures than those old hippys. You ought to see some of the young tatooed and pierced young people! They are going to look like something when they're old, lol!!
Substitute "up" with "down" and the leap from 5th Avenue to the observation deck of the Empire State Building becomes a piece of cake.
Tell her that 'dirty looks' cause dust!! LOL.
The word neocon has lost its meaning in that sentence. What you are left with is different governing visions and political strategies. I wish to God we didn't have the fact of this federal behemoth nanny state, the rapacious spending and entitlements, and I even think President Bush could have done something about it. He made it slightly worse with a policy agenda based on certain long-term calculations which haven't paid off yet and might never do so.
But I do agree fundamentally with his approach to economics and foreign policy (and don't forget we've made headway in the judiciary). I think most who fundamentally disagree with President Bush want to retreat to a "safe place" inside our borders. But the world doesn't work like that. The evils out there have to be fought out there.
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