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Pass up that 'Baby Mama' dance, girls
Balt Sun ^ | 3/22/06 | Gregory Kane

Posted on 03/22/2006 6:30:06 AM PST by mathprof

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To: Prov3456

being supportive is necessary, enabling and glorifying the baby mamas is perpetuating the phenomenon. A friend of mine at the ofc, an older black woman, talks of the huge showy baby showers given for the unmarried mothers at her church. She takes incredible flak from her peers there for speaking disapprovingly of it. You can support the unwed mother and love her and her child, but making a huge splash says what to other young girls in the church? hey, if i get pregnant, they will have a big huge party for me and i will get lots of stuff! do you see the problem?


21 posted on 03/22/2006 7:12:50 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

No it's not, but its a close second.


22 posted on 03/22/2006 7:17:04 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Hey liberals, you be straight trippin. I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: xsmommy

The last person anyone ever thinks of is the child.

Being raised without a father is terrible.

Sngle mothers do fine with tiny sweet babies but then they get to be 11-12-13 and the trouble starts.


23 posted on 03/22/2006 7:19:36 AM PST by squarebarb (Liberalism is a flesh-eating disease)
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To: RexBeach
Tunes like these are very, very dangerous to teens and younger kids who are very impressionable.

I don't know, look at the lyrics closely. She's talking about how tough life is when you're working, caring for the kid, and going to school, and of course the guy's gone and the money he sends you doesn't cover anything. The song evokes pathos more than glamor. And since the women who are taking care of their babies do need a lift, I think it's good for her that she's giving them a shout out. Fantasia sure didn't create the problem.
24 posted on 03/22/2006 7:21:01 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: squarebarb

i think it is a horrible and lamentable situation. i am 100% prolife and so i laud them for having the baby, but the utter lack of stigma and the sheer commonness of the occurrence means that unwed motherhood and the attendant problems that go along with it, will continue. THIS is what the black leadership should be focusing on, right here.


25 posted on 03/22/2006 7:22:11 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
Yes, I understand what you're saying. I agree that such church groups do not help in the "big picture" aspect of the problem.

I'm talking about individuals helping individuals through a time of need (similar to one person supporting a friend through major surgery, divorce, death of a family member, etc).

I agree that what you described is flaunting the problem and does nothing to stop future pregnancies by other girls.

26 posted on 03/22/2006 7:22:14 AM PST by Prov3456
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To: mathprof

Oh, to be young, and stupid, and have no future . . . .


27 posted on 03/22/2006 7:25:38 AM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: cyborg

Speaking on behalf of American taxpayers, let me do the "lucky me" dance. :-\


28 posted on 03/22/2006 7:25:45 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Prov3456

it is difficult to negotiate that. This same friend of mine from the ofc had her own daughter get pregnant without the benefit of marriage. now, her daughter was 32 years old, college educated and a professional, but she was TERRIFIED to tell her mother that she was pregnant, because she knew what she would hear from her. AND she heard it. but my friend adores this grandson and is there for her daughter. The child's father is also in the picture and financially supportive. But there was never any doubt, my friend did NOT approve of the situation.


29 posted on 03/22/2006 7:26:01 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: D.P.Roberts
Let's say it clearly. Mothers of bastards are losers and parasites

Really. I'll be sure to tell my mother, who had me out of wedlock and worked nights at Red Lobster to raise me. Nice knowing I'm a bastard, as well.

Let's say it clearly. You're an idiot.

30 posted on 03/22/2006 7:26:05 AM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: cyborg

"I see you get that support check in the mail
Ya open it and your like "What the Hell"
You say "This ain't even half of daycare"
Sayin to yourself "This here ain't fair"


This must be the part with a huge violin crescendo, right?


31 posted on 03/22/2006 7:26:51 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: D.P.Roberts

I bet the 21st century is really hard on you :)


32 posted on 03/22/2006 7:27:03 AM PST by najida (I hate bullies- God, man or beast, it doesn't matter.)
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To: cyborg
Indeed. She didn't slaughter her baby.

That, at least is a good thing.

I'm sure there will be genocidal, racist freaks on this forum who will suggest that she should have done so, but the sane folks amongst us can ingore them.

33 posted on 03/22/2006 7:28:33 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: hellinahandcart
More or less, yes.

Back in the day, we called them "homes for unwed mothers".

A young 'lady', who had 'misbehaved' with a young 'gentleman', who was unwilling to 'do the right thing' (or whose father didn't own a shotgun), could go there for a few months and deliver her child. The child would usually be adopted by a stable married couple, and the young lady could go on with her life. She had the double advantage of not having to raise a child she was unable to raise properly AND knowing that she had not slaughtered her child.

We're much more enlightened, now.

34 posted on 03/22/2006 7:32:55 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Prov3456
IMO, part of the reason young, unmarried women have abortions is still because of the stigma, gossip and judgment by many people (both churched and unchurched). It is time for those people who call themselves "Christian" to walk alongside these women and provide them physical and spiritual assistance so they choose to carry-to-term (help with adoption or early parenting too, as needed.)

You could be right, but I doubt it. The truth is, one does not see much stigma attached to unwed pregnancy, much less sexual relations outside of marriage.

I realize most CPC's already do that. It's time for Christians to behave like Christians. It's not up to us to judge her or her actions: it's up to us to help, and minister to, her. That's what Jesus would do. (Later, He'd say, "Go and sin no more.")

Again, I doubt it. Jesus was quite clear about denouncing sin and calling people to repentance. If we are to act the same way, first we must be clear that fornication is a sin. And as soon as we do that, we will be accused of being "judgmental" and "unchristian."

Yes, we should be grateful whenever an unwed young woman chooses to give birth rather than to have an abortion. But that just shows how far our standards have fallen. I am sure that Jesus would have a different message: Do not commit fornication in the first place. If you do make a mistake, repent and do what is right for the child. Marry the baby's father and provide a good home for your child. If that is not feasible, give the baby up for adoption to a stable family. But do not try to raise the baby on your own.

35 posted on 03/22/2006 7:36:09 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Prov3456
It's not up to us to judge her or her actions:

Of course it is. Getting pregnant without a stable relationship in which to raise up the child is flaming selfish stupidity.

Non-judgementalism is abrogation of societal responsibility disguised in PC speak. What Christians are warned of is judging others by a standard that we would not wish to be judged by. If I was filling the world full of bastards, I'd expect to be rightly called irresponsible; so should these "baby mommas".

36 posted on 03/22/2006 7:36:30 AM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: najida
I bet the 21st century is really hard on you :)

I don't get it. You mean young girls who go out and get pregnant -- and the guys who eagerly impregnate them, and the fools who tell them it's fine and they have a right to all the money they can get from others -- are NOT morally incompetent or worse?

I say again (from earlier thread on similar issue) I know an intelligent young woman, a beneficiary of "Family Life" edumication, who just wanted to get pregnant. She really saw nothing wrong with it. I think the real indication was that in a conversation where I was saying that my goal with my child was to help her be stronger than I in every way, this genius said she didn't want her kid to be better than she.

There's a deep and pernicious problem here, and a large segment of our society makes a living minimizing and enabling it.

37 posted on 03/22/2006 7:38:09 AM PST by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: linda_22003

If you are prochoice, then that's your thing. I'm not going ot debate you on that. I am just happy she didn't have one.


38 posted on 03/22/2006 7:40:28 AM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: RexBeach; celejrm313; hellinahandcart; cyborg; TXBSAFH; mathprof; jan in Colorado
Let's all say this again. "personal responsibility". what makes me think that these baby mama's are going to be on my welfare tax dollar?

Hmmm...from the lyrics posted (thanks, cyborg!)...

I see ya payin' ya bills
I see ya workin' ya job
I see ya goin' to school
I suppose we should discourage such a mindset? I would have thought conservatives would be glad to see a song that points out how difficult life as a single parent can be, and encourages a girl to raise her self-esteem and not stay in the low-self-worth mindset that got her in the position in the first place.
39 posted on 03/22/2006 7:41:35 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: linda_22003

Abortion is a short term solution with long term problems...for most people. Maybe you're one of the those that doesn't have a problem.


40 posted on 03/22/2006 7:41:51 AM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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