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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: ohioWfan
ROFL. I completely know what you mean! I had a poster dodge out by essentially saying "Quit being such a girl."

OK...but I win. LOL.

I am not a feminist, and I am not particuarly insecure about being female. You will find I am the first to admit that sometimes I perpetuate negative female stereotypes on occasion. Why, because I'm a girl and it comes naturally. But sometimes the condescension does get a bit irritating.

There is also a general feeling in some corners that it is ok to drool over Coulter or Malkin, but somehow demeaning to comment on the appeal o male politicians, pundits or celebrities.

I remember one guy getting all upset about a President Bush photo that was particularly good and had garnered by some positive reactions. He said something along the lines of "You girls are so embarrassing, drooling all over a politician. How demeaning. You are lowering the entire intelligence of FR." And then promptly left to make comments on a Coulter thread and demanding pictures. ROFL. Very funny.

When was the last time you heard the phrase "Coulterbot?"

1,821 posted on 05/17/2006 2:57:48 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: CounterCounterCulture
So what? I never liked you anyway.
1,822 posted on 05/17/2006 2:59:35 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

>> If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

JORGE!<<

I wouldn't have said "enemy." I would say that is someone deliberately making a personal attack on the President instead talking issues. And that does reflect on the speaker.


1,823 posted on 05/17/2006 2:59:56 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Pukin Dog

In four years, Bush doubled the GOP Hispanic vote.



At what cost?


1,824 posted on 05/17/2006 3:00:18 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: onyx

Don't sweat it, we are not "professional", as our pay stub indicates. We do this strictly voluntarily, as our time allows us. (I am not any of the mods that have posted previously)


1,825 posted on 05/17/2006 3:00:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Pukin Dog
But I am going to get medieval on the first FReeper who complains about spending if it happens, because that wall will cost some enormous dollars.

You've told me not to post to you and I have respected that. On this post of yours I have too. If(when)the fence goes up, you'll not hear one squeak out of me. The money used to build it would in time pay for itself on the money we, as a country, would save giving illegals welfare, free medical, housing, foodstamps and all the other freebees they think they are entitled too off my, your and every other taxpayers dime.

Build the fence! My country means more to me than money.

I'll go back to not posting to you again.

1,826 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:12 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Pukin Dog

Everybody likes me. Only a psychotic hatemonger wouldn't.


1,827 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:20 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs - the OTHER white meat)
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To: pollyannaish
"You girls are so embarrassing, drooling all over a politician. How demeaning. You are lowering the entire intelligence of FR."

"When was the last time you heard the phrase "Coulterbot?"

I'm glad you said it...the Brotherhood of the Popsicle Worship and don't forget the Malkinites.

1,828 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:24 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: AntiGuv
Have you checked the vote returns for the heavily Latino South Texas counties and precincts?? Do it whenever you're ready for a rude awakening.

Cameron County
 	
George W. Bush		34,801 	50.32%
John Kerry	        33,998 	49.16%

1,829 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Admin Moderator

Ah, shift change!
Good evening AM!


1,830 posted on 05/17/2006 3:01:51 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: F.J. Mitchell; VRWCmember
I'm not yet ready to call another American the enemy. Let me point you to my Post 922 for explanation. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1633739/posts?page=922#922
1,831 posted on 05/17/2006 3:02:25 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: ohioWfan

btw, it's nice to be having a pleasant conversation with you



Same here.


1,832 posted on 05/17/2006 3:02:57 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: CWOJackson

"'President Bush and the Senate Republicans have simply got to give in to the _______________ demand of...'
The demand is always the same, fill in the blank with the crusade of choice."

You're right, the demand IS always the same.
And when the demand comes from tax-hawks and it's "No New Taxes" the Republicans always give in on that demand, because 1992 taught them that doing anything else with that PARTICULAR constituency, tax-hawks, will result in defeat.

And when the demand is "clear pro-life nominees", the Republicans always cave in and give into that demand, because they know that the pro-life wing of the party is huge, and not bluffing.

The Border Conservatives are a large enough, angry enough, important enough faction of the party that the Republicans have to give on their demand too, because they can't win without them.

If the blank was filled by, say, "drill in ANWR", the truth is that the faction of the party committed to that is NOT so big or so strong that the Republicans have to cave into it or lose, so they don't.

The entirety of the problem here is a misunderstanding consisting of treating the BorderBots as though they were a fringe group, as opposed to treating them as though they were like the tax hawks or pro-lifers or the business roundtable: core constitutents who cannot be ignored on their core issues.

So yes, your sentence is true. There is, indeed, always some group or other saying "Give us X or else." You can't give everybody everything. But when it's tax-hawks, pro-lifers or the Business Roundtable, you bet your sweet bippy that the GOP leadership steps and fetches: because the "or else" for THOSE massive groups is "Or else you get a 1992".
The big chunks of the base have to be appeased.
BorderBots are a big part of the base.
Drilling may never happen in ANWR, and it won't determine the outcome of any election. But raise taxes, put up a pro-choice Supreme Court Justice...or refuse to close the Mexican border...and you lose elections.

The demand may be phrased the same way, but the important thing is who's making it. BorderBots are too big to be ignored.


1,833 posted on 05/17/2006 3:02:57 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Pukin Dog
I think a wall is going to be the ultimate outcome of this debate. But I am going to get medieval on the first FReeper who complains about spending if it happens, because that wall will cost some enormous dollars.

I'd be fine with the cost. Then again, I'm not opposed to paying more to hire legal citizens to do my landscaping either.

1,834 posted on 05/17/2006 3:03:38 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (http://folding.stanford.edu/ - - - -Folding@home. Free Republic team 36120)
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To: Admin Moderator

>>Don't sweat it, we are not "professional", as our pay stub indicates. We do this strictly voluntarily, as our time allows us. (I am not any of the mods that have posted previously)<<

But..but... Admin Moderator has posted previously...this is very confusing. :)


1,835 posted on 05/17/2006 3:03:42 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: onyx

We don't have 'shifts'. There are times for some mods that work better for them. We have a couple night owls, some early birds, but that's not set in stone. It's whenever we have time. I was here this am, but had work to do. See, most of us do have a life outside FR.


1,836 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:34 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: CWOJackson

Actually, my uncle was a top engineer in Long Beach let's say between 1965 and 1980--several years in that time span. He had first hand knowledge of serious corruption that he was concerned went all the way to to top of the State Government. Hopefully it did not involve the governor we all loved so much. But it was an extremely serious case and had tentacles into lots of things.

My uncle saw fit to relocate to New Mexico in the interest of preserving his life and that of his family. He did testify to some FBI agents, or some such special Federal investigators. I don't recall what ever became of the case. I think a lot of people got off scot free. There may have been a sacrificial lamb or two who got caught.


1,837 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:36 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: Vicomte13
Drilling may never happen in ANWR

Oh, it will, or I will certainly be banned.

1,838 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:47 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Lakeshark
I am just saying you should be aware that some of your stuff comes from their ilk and no true conservative would say stuff like that. I pointed one out as a good example last night. Isn't that what they say? That Bush is an eevil capitalist pig feeding his big business cronies?

I wouldn't know. I don't read their stuff. What I do know is what I keep hearing: "we need cheap labor." Even Senator Dorgan yesterday had a poster about that: EXPORTING GOOD JOBS....IMPORTING CHEAP LABOR. He said that's what this is about. Senator Sessions has said much similar comments.

I think she has gone a bit over the edge on this issue myself.

I disagree; she is used to all the buzz words used in the liberal anti-American National Education Association in their attempt to snow job parents and educators. Their approach has been quite effective, but so has Schlafly's in calling a spade a spade and "undressing" their buzz words so that people understand the man behind the curtain charade they pull. She was very effective in educating many many people and effecting change. She's doing nothing different as concerns this matter.

What is the "take away everything else" to which you keep referring?

If you think the millions who have poured into our countr, and who will be given citizenship (whether that be in 5 years or 10 years) are likely to be added to the trenches of conservative Republican voters, you are fooling yourself. If you think it's healthy for this country to completely alter its sound immigration policies, and instead, flood this country with predominantly low-skilled and uneducated masses (a reversal of what our current immigration law has in place), who, because of that lack of education and low skills will actually cost our society more than they could ever benefit, you're also fooling yourself.

While my country is being invaded by the millions, what will there be left to hold onto that's American?

1,839 posted on 05/17/2006 3:05:04 PM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: maica

"What do you mean by 'their fence'?"

What I mean is that this is their core demand, their issue, their heart's desire, The Thing That Will Keep Them Voting Republican This Year.

It's The Thing The President And The Senate Have Got To Accede To Or We're All Toast.

That's what I mean by "their" fence.


1,840 posted on 05/17/2006 3:05:27 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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