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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: Cold Heat
"That's a bunch is 'ist's'.:-)"

Many of which are conflicting "ists". Odd, ain't it?

2,861 posted on 05/18/2006 9:43:40 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: Cold Heat
"Because of all the heated and totally off base rhetoric, this issue may end up on the table with nothing accomplished and the guarantee that the status quo will be in place until a new president takes the reigns"

Exactly. If it's a Democrat who takes the reigns it'll be a back burner issue. Until it can be used to club the next Republican. I resent the fact that so many of us fall for it.

2,862 posted on 05/18/2006 9:50:55 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: wardaddy

The Schiavo Insanity was the most egregious example of FR loosing its mind. And those trying to protect the site and prevent it from becoming the haven of fanatic LIARS are many of those attempting to beat back the latest wave of Madness threatening FR and thereby the Nation.

To you those who did not support the Lying Fanatics are "socially moderate" which is, of course, just another LIE.


2,863 posted on 05/18/2006 9:51:53 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Rokke

"And finally....please stop spouting drivel about "real conservatives". Ronald Reagan is tired of spinning in his grave."

Amen! It gets so tiring.


2,864 posted on 05/18/2006 9:51:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: dirtboy
"Most of the GOP Congresscritters are on the right side here. Bush isn't. He is the one who needs Freeping."

Can't hurt...but GOP and Democrat senators all need a good freeping too. The president didn't write the Senate bill, he only made the mistake of backing it as is.

2,865 posted on 05/18/2006 9:55:09 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: Cold Heat
I think the base is so fractured that it will need to be rebuilt. I don't see any way around it. As far as Bush compromising, he has voiced this idea since his Governor days in Texas. He does not need to compromise. This is not a court nominee issue like Harriet Miers where he can simply allow the nominee to withdraw. He must lead with the strength of his convictions, and the only compromise will to to sign or to not sign the Bill when it arrives at his desk.

First, I meant to say I wasn't against guest worker programs in principle, although I think the burden of proof should be on their supporters.

Secondly, President Bush also campaigned on a "huimble foriegn policy." That ended when 9-11 happened. The President cannot simply assume the base is rebuilt and rebuild it--- the Democrats are quite simply too dangerous to allow to be in power at this time

No offense, but the sort of extreme, "can't compromise, must agree with Preesident Bush on everything or get out of the Republican Party" position you seem to be advocating is in my opinion unfair to President Bush. I came on to this thread to support President Bush--- I'll proudly call myself a Bushbot. It should be possible to disagree with the President on this, or the Highway Bill, or nearly any other issue without implying that President Bush and the Republican Party deserves less than our full support in the coming elections. Personally, I'd vote for Lincoln Chaffee if it meant the Republicans keeping the Senate--- that's how important I think President Bush having a free hand in the WOT is. If I could vote for President Bush a third and fourth time, I would.

2,866 posted on 05/18/2006 9:56:03 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Cold Heat

"Yes, it appears the anti-globalist's, gold bugs, and a large segment of the libertine isolationists who's views are actually contrary to their platform are all in bed with every assorted bunch of activist's on a variety of social issues from environment to the majority/minority alarmists and total disaster, end of times anarchists.
That's a bunch is "ist's".:-)"

It appears the one common factor which binds these "ist's" together, and that is their Bush Derangement Syndrome. Where they blame GW for everything, never credit him for anything positive inspite of a long list of accomplishments. They hate GW even more than Howard Dean, John Kerry, the Clintoons and the rats in Congress.


2,867 posted on 05/18/2006 9:56:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: jpsb

The only way you could kick nopardons ass is if she were long dead. She chews up and spits out the likes of you before breakfast just to warm up.


2,868 posted on 05/18/2006 9:56:57 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: nopardons

Lemme guess that one was showing his ignorance of economics, finance, politics and history all in one post. A post "proving" we were all doooomed to a life of poverty and watching the "Globalists" drive by in their limosines.


2,869 posted on 05/18/2006 9:59:31 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Vicomte13
Argh you are depressing. I'm goin' to lunch. Bookmarking for later. Good thread though. At least posters are attempting to a little less venomous. Perhaps there is hope some real improvement will come of this.

A GOP loss over this won't make the party more conservative in general. That's a myth. You'll just get more McCains and Spectors: promise conservative, deliver Democrat.

2,870 posted on 05/18/2006 10:01:30 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: mjolnir
"can't compromise, must agree with President Bush on everything or get out of the Republican Party" position you seem to be advocating is in my opinion unfair to President Bush. I came on to this thread to support President Bush---

That's not what I'm saying regarding this single issue, however there has been a long unceasing string of them over the past couple of years that has my full attention and prompted my comments.

It's the big picture that I was referencing, and the knowledge that the candidate who makes it through the Republican primaries for '08 is sure to be more moderate then Bush and will not be appealing to these same Conservative constituents.

I saw that happen when Dole ran and I know what the results will be historically.

2,871 posted on 05/18/2006 10:01:48 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: justshutupandtakeit

At the risk of reopening old wounds, just who were the lying fanatics on FR during the Schaivo affair?


2,872 posted on 05/18/2006 10:03:14 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: wardaddy

100,000 Illegals in Nashville. That shows how credible you are when it comes to facts.


2,873 posted on 05/18/2006 10:04:01 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Tatze
According to some people who have been banned, they received not a single warning!

LOL....They all say that.....I would too...:-)

2,874 posted on 05/18/2006 10:05:00 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: trisham

I've spoken with him today. Says he feels great & has no regrets. Oh and that FR can......(how to say..) go pleasure itself! :o)


2,875 posted on 05/18/2006 10:07:23 AM PDT by Millee (Tancredo 08!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; wardaddy

Living here, I can tell you in all seriousness he's probably right (100,000 in Nashville). The southern part of or town has been totally overrun. It's Mexico City North. Having one of the best, most diverse economies in the US draws folks (citizens and illegals) like flies.

At least we have really good choices in Mexican restaurants!


2,876 posted on 05/18/2006 10:07:28 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Shelayne
Then he left me a note asking for my forgiveness.

ROLF.

I'm glad you kept your senses about you after he snagged your good stuff.

;-)

A great screen name of yours, by the way .............

I always wish to know the origin of that......

If that is your real name............... cool!!!!

2,877 posted on 05/18/2006 10:15:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you see strange men lurking about in groups of three - especially in North Carolina, RUN!)
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To: Millee
I've spoken with him today. Says he feels great & has no regrets. Oh and that FR can......(

*************

Either sour grapes or false bravado, imho.

2,878 posted on 05/18/2006 10:21:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
No, he's just sincerely happy to be done here.
2,879 posted on 05/18/2006 10:24:41 AM PDT by Millee (Tancredo 08!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

2,880 posted on 05/18/2006 10:26:25 AM PDT by Toby06 (I'm a conservative-I'll support conservative candidates. That does NOT necessarily mean republican)
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