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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: Pukin Dog

Great rant!

You nailed it!


361 posted on 05/17/2006 9:28:34 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: colorado tanker
You have your history backwards.

Please cite the "history" I introduced that was "backwards".

Because the country DIDN'T vote Republican in 1986, the Senate flipped to a Democrat majority, which lead directly to the Borking, which resulted in Kennedy and Souter.

I never addressed any of that. Do you often debate yourself?

So, go right ahead and "teach them" another lesson this year,

Please cite where I introduced any idea even remotely like that.

Bonus question, who were the Presidents who nominated those two justices?

362 posted on 05/17/2006 9:28:48 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious".... George Orwell)
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To: Tribune7

Trib, I'm not interested in you comments.


363 posted on 05/17/2006 9:28:55 AM PDT by Rebelbase (" Bush II: What's good for Mexico is good for America." --FReeper, Vigilanteman.)
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To: woofie
"no one should loose site of that fact..."

$%&*!#$

It's L-O-S-E!!!!!

Only the 3rd reply and I have a headache already!

364 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:09 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: onyx
Rumsfeld and Cheney deserve better from us. They are serving with their last ounce of energy and life.

They sacrifice for this country and for the civilized world, yet we denigrate them at every turn.

FOR SHAME

365 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:25 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: MEG33
I think another thing we forget is what Clinton was like. The nice thing with Bush is he is honest about where he stands and you know exactly where your 'battles' will be.
Clinton and the poll-driven crowd are/were constantly shifting making it difficult to know if they would still support something you liked from one day to the next.
I would, by far, prefer Bush being wrong on a few issues than a President who's stance shifts from day to day or hour by hour etc. etc.
366 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:33 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: dawn53

Tell that to Victoria Hen

367 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:37 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Pukin Dog

Good rant, thanks for your opinion. However, it's only your opinion and you know what they say about opinions. I agree the office of President should be treated with respect, as well as the President and First lady. But this is not a Republican board it is a Conservative board (just look at the rules). So how 'bout lets all treat each other with respect and remember that opinions are just that.


368 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:47 AM PDT by saleman
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To: onyx

The answer to what? And why would it pertain to anything I have posted?


369 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:48 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious".... George Orwell)
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To: b4its2late

mega-dittos to that!


370 posted on 05/17/2006 9:29:49 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: Tribune7
For all the talk on immigration on FR, I don't hear much of it at the water cooler.

The legitimate level of concern needs to be somewhere in the middle.

371 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:02 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: gondramB

How about disagreeing on the issues instead of calling fellow conservatives names?



You mean like racist? bigot? democrat?


Too many on both sides of the issue engage in it. I sure as heck didn't start doing it by a long shot. I can debate the issue civilly. I can name 3 off the top of my head on the other side that couldn't do that if their lives depended on it.


372 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:15 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If its such a great idea, lets see how well the capital and white house do with a virtual fence.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Excellent post.


373 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:19 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Tribune7
The conservative base has been heard, loud and clear, by the Bush administration. The president's speech on Monday shows that - now he's talking a little more seriously about securing the border - in a real way.

The conservative base should continue to put strong and vocal pressure on the administration and the squishy senators to secure the borders first; and once that's done we can visit the "It's Not Amnesty" amnesty debate.

I see many folks here calling anti-illegal alien conservatives "racists," nazis," "bigots," "anti-Bushies," etc. That's no way to debate an issue.

Argue the merits of an issue. Stop trying to pi$$ off with insults (and get banned) those who disagree with you.

374 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:23 AM PDT by tgslTakoma (I nominate Freeper "jveritas" for Freeper of the year!)
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To: azhenfud

Being president is a horrible job. Just name the supporters of his policies in the government.

And you expect perfection when even you are against him.

Keep on dreaming.

And, you might look at the tax cuts, the attack on America, the defense of this country, the supreme court judges, the honesty in this administration.

That counts for nothing? Not to me - I am proud!!!!!


375 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:33 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Is the primary goal of our Congress to protect America's borders?)
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To: Rebelbase

I mentioned you in the post. Just being polite.


376 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:33 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
"You have your history backwards. Because the country DIDN'T vote Republican in 1986, the Senate flipped to a Democrat majority, which lead directly to the Borking, which resulted in Kennedy and Souter."


Kennedy was nominated by President Reagan and Souter was nominated by President Bush I, both Republicans.
377 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:42 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: NinoFan
There was no veil at all. I said it outright.

You used the opportunity based on a spurious charge to call people names.

It's pretty simple.

378 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:42 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: Pukin Dog
I am neither a "Bush-bot" nor a troll.
I have great respect for the office of the Presidency and similar, if not the same, respect for the current President.

That being said, George Bush, the current President, is much like any other President since I was old enough to pay attention to politics.
I agree with some things he does and says, and disagree with some things he does and says.
I believe that the Almighty put him in the office of the President to deal with the physical attacks on our country.
I believe he has done extremely well in this regard.
I also believe he has done as well, if not better, than anyone else could have done on the domestic front, with one exception.

I disagree vehemently with his policies on illegal immigration.

Would I disrespect him for that? Never.
I think he believes he is doing the right thing. I disagree that what he is doing IS the right thing, and have said so in correspondance to the White House and to my elected representatives.
I will say that I believe he is heading in the right direction but is off the path and wandering in that direction through the wasteland.

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.
If you want my thoughts on voting read my FR homepage.

Replacing a Republican with another Republican is not, neccessarily, the thing to do.
Replacing a liberal with a conservative is the thing to do. Whether one is a Republican or a Democrat, if they are conservative, that is enough for me.
(And yes, there are such things as conservative Democrats. Not many, but they are out there.)

379 posted on 05/17/2006 9:30:49 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: MEG33

God bless and protect President George W. Bush. This Bushbot prays for it daily.


380 posted on 05/17/2006 9:31:01 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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