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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: OldFriend
NJ is second only to Louisiana for corrupt low life America hating elected officials.

In all honesty, I'd have to say Mass. and Calif beat us all.

Now, is the NJ legislature worse than the Pa. one? Hmmmmmm

2,721 posted on 05/18/2006 5:51:02 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: wardaddy
I have never seen so many GOP angry with their incumbents as now over this issue. Far worse than when Bush I raised taxes.

Mark Levin had Peter King on last night. King was saying he had never seen anything like this response. 95% against amnesty and not just an angry spurt but a sustained response. And King's district is one that I wouldn't expect to be so heated.
2,722 posted on 05/18/2006 5:54:26 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Pukin Dog
I have read Southack's list of Pres. Bush's accomplishments on your about page several times on FR and have just read it again.

What a list. Conservative bashers of the President largely don't know what they are talking about. They should still be celebrating his actions and stance on abortion alone which used to be the "single issue" issue. They have forgotten too quickly and now have jumped to the new "single issue"....immigration.

George Bush has pushed forward the conservative agenda not only on abortion but many other issues which are listed on Southack's list. Pres. Bush is not only a great guy, but a great leader for America. The problem is that too many conservatives watch TV and follow the lead of the MSM, whom they claim to hate. The MSM are loving it and when they get conservatives to get angry they also know their ratings go up. Clever ploy. I wish conservatives would get smarter, but I don't even know if that would help. They love to get angry which is a big part of the problem.

I hope many print out that list of Southack's and meditate on it. It is a very impressive list of our President's accomplishments despite opposition from all sides. And he is not close to being done yet thank God.

2,723 posted on 05/18/2006 6:02:22 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Publius6961
"Clinton not only acted like a dictator, but got away with it: remember the retroactive tax increases? The mass dismissal of all the federal prosecutors upon taking office? The endless stream of executive orders that are affecting us negatively to this very day?
It is perfectly legitimate and our duty to, if not demand equally creative leadership, to wonder what the explanation for the lapse might be
quot;

So.....
BJ Klinton acted like South American tin pot dictator should President Bush should do the same too?

That's not what Republicans voted for.
Remember Klinton never got 50% of the popular vote ever in any presidential elections he run.
President Bush has.
2,724 posted on 05/18/2006 6:04:09 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Rokke

Re: port 2404 - Good post.

As my father used to say, "these aren't your grandfather's Democrats". 40-50 years ago, you could count on at least *some* Democrats being pro-defense, pro-growth, pro-family, pro-fiscal soundness, etc. Nowadays, can we name 10 Democrats in the House like that? In the Senate?

The Democrats have pandered and sold themselves out to all manner of nutter, splinter groups, such that they cannot offer any coherent national strategy other than giving people "more stuff", especially those who, in the words of Dick Gephardt, are "losers in life's lottery". What a bunch of monkey muffins. Unfortunately, a lot of folks buy into that.

The VAST majority of Democrats are simply not going to be able to deliver on national security, pro-growth, pro-family, etc issues. They try and try to re-invent themselves, but it always seems to fail. I've always said that the biggest threat to a Republican being elected in is a Democrat that has conservative principles. But hose folks are just not around much anymore. Knowing that, and knowing what Congresswoman Pelosi has stated about her intentions if she becomes Speaker of the House, it should be no surprise what's going to happen if Democrats get control of the House or Senate. NO SURPRISE.

As stated previously by others, primary elections are the place to make our voice herd. That and keeping in contact with elected officials. Write them, call them, let them know you are holding them accountable. I used to say that if George Pataki was the Republican candidate, that I would sit out the election in 2008. But I can't do that, even though I think he's been an awful governor in New York the last 4-6 years - the alternative is even worse (am hoping Pataki never gets past a more conservative candidate). But if he is the Republican candidate, I'm voting for him. The alternative will not be good.


2,725 posted on 05/18/2006 6:05:07 AM PDT by Fury
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To: OldFriend
Slick willie spent his last 4 years in office disgracing himself, the presidency and our country while still watching the polls and trying to keep the majority happy with him???
President Bush has absolutely no reason to watch the polls anymore, national or Republican. He can base all of his decisions on what he feels is right or wrong and what is best for all of America, not just the American who voted for him. Lincoln did this during his first term and almost lost the election. He didn't care, he was not only a righteous man, he was also right.
2,726 posted on 05/18/2006 6:08:56 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: AntiGuv
The bottom line: Bush needs to persuade about 40 House members to change their minds on a guest/temporary/amnesty/whatever program.

So, in other words, Bush is counting on broad support from the Dems to pass his immigration agenda.

Which means all the yelling at the border security folks that they want the Dems to win is absurd - because the man they are backing on this issue, President Bush, is allied WITH THE DEMS.

2,727 posted on 05/18/2006 6:10:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: apackof2
Thank you, sir!
2,728 posted on 05/18/2006 6:14:19 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: dirtboy
Which means all the yelling at the border security folks that they want the Dems to win is absurd - because the man they are backing on this issue, President Bush, is allied WITH THE DEMS.

No, it means that President Bush is allied with the Republican Senate over the the Republican House on this ONE issue. The Democrats want to IMPEACH President Bush. To say without any qualification he is allied with them is false, period.

2,729 posted on 05/18/2006 6:14:54 AM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: Pukin Dog
"Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list."

A day late but STILL more than worth the read BUMP! EXCELLENT rant, PD.

2,730 posted on 05/18/2006 6:16:56 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: mjolnir
No, it means that President Bush is allied with the Republican Senate over the the Republican House on this ONE issue.

No, he's not even allied with the Republican Senate - only about a third of the GOP voted against the border security first resolution.

For Bush to get his way, he needs the nearly full support of the Dems in both houses. That alone shows he is wrong on this issue.

2,731 posted on 05/18/2006 6:18:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: nicmarlo

Here is an excellent post on this subject, it mirrors what I was trying to say, heck, maybe they copied my thoughts..... Please read and comment: http://smokeonthewater.typepad.com/smokeonthewater/2006/05/us_or_them.html


2,732 posted on 05/18/2006 6:22:57 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Pukin Dog; ohioWfan; All

A gread read for this topic, sorry for the repeat: http://smokeonthewater.typepad.com/smokeonthewater/2006/05/us_or_them.html


2,733 posted on 05/18/2006 6:24:39 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Dixie Yooper

I will support our President till my last breath.


2,734 posted on 05/18/2006 6:25:12 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Your memory and mine are in conflict. I remember most of the anger at slick was due to the fact that he was a political shape-shifter - his views seemed to follow his polls . The first year there was dont-ask-don't-tell and Hillarycare, but from then on it was all about triangulation.


2,735 posted on 05/18/2006 6:32:04 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have an honest question for you Jim. I'm sure your reply with get the best of me, but I must ask anyway.

It only requires a short answer and not a rehash of all things good or bad about the Republicans or how horrible the country will be if the Dems regain a majority. In fact, I won't think less of you if you choose not to answer. The question can be left to hang about and be pondered.

Question; if the Republicans lose their majority in the upcoming or future elections, whose fault will it be,,, The elected officials and their supporters,,,,or the people who choose not to vote for them?

2,736 posted on 05/18/2006 6:33:38 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Warren_Piece
First two years of slick's first term he never got a single republican vote on any legislation he wanted. He made a few promises to republicans and then went back on his word within five minutes. He had the votes and he didn't care a bit.

Of course, that all changed during midterms. He lost 40 seats.

2,737 posted on 05/18/2006 6:34:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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Is this where we log in?

Top of the morning to all! (.....after I've paged through Post #~1300 to here)

2,738 posted on 05/18/2006 6:35:19 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: alnick; Miss Marple
Some would disagree with you. Usually he adds the words "continue to." That was my impression. Originally I was interrupted and pushed the post button before mentioning that I was referring to a SPECIFIC speech - another poster did give me a reference to a 2001 speech.
2,739 posted on 05/18/2006 6:36:16 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: dirtboy

Don't forget, the Dems are in a pickle over this, too. The unions do NOT want amnesty. I'd say about half the Dem rank-and file disagree with THEIR leaders on this one. It's a political loser all around.


2,740 posted on 05/18/2006 6:36:40 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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